Suspension Setup in 10 Mins. This is the Real Deal - Watch It and Learn!

Discussion in 'Shop Talk' started by herzalot, Jan 8, 2018.



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  1. herzalot

    herzalot iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Laguna Beach
    Name:
    Chris
    Current Bike:
    '15 Intense Tracer 275c DVOish
    This is absolutely the best description I have ever heard or seen. This will prevent you from setting your suspension way too stiff - which I find is common.



    You're welcome!!!
     
  2. Runs with Scissors

    Runs with Scissors iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    West Anaheim
    Name:
    Mark Whitaker
    Current Bike:
    2015 Giant XTC Advanced 1 29er
    I had a snarky comment all ready to go, and thought better of it. :laugh:
     
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  3. herzalot

    herzalot iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Laguna Beach
    Name:
    Chris
    Current Bike:
    '15 Intense Tracer 275c DVOish
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  4. herzalot

    herzalot iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Laguna Beach
    Name:
    Chris
    Current Bike:
    '15 Intense Tracer 275c DVOish
    Fire away. Live up to that moniker!
     
  5. Runs with Scissors

    Runs with Scissors iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    West Anaheim
    Name:
    Mark Whitaker
    Current Bike:
    2015 Giant XTC Advanced 1 29er
    Oh great, there you go appealing to my base nature. I shall overcome!!
     
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  6. Luis

    Luis iMTB Addict

    Location:
    Sylmar
    Name:
    Luis
    Current Bike:
    Big Black 29er
    Good video. Thanks for posting Chris :geek::thumbsup:
     
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  7. sir crashalot

    sir crashalot Well-Known Member

    Location:
    laguna beach
    Name:
    gary fishman
    Current Bike:
    2018 banshee rune
    great video
     
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  8. scan

    scan Well-Known Member

    Name:
    fran allas
    Current Bike:
    Scott Spark
    Seems to make alot of sense! Will have to try it out.
     
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  9. Cyclotourist

    Cyclotourist iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Redlands
    Name:
    David
    Current Bike:
    Tallboy Upgrade
    Good share, thanks!
     
  10. rossage

    rossage iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    East Sacramento
    Name:
    Ross Lawson
    Current Bike:
    Highball
    Setting up the suspension way too hard, and rebound way too slow, are the most common suspension set-up mistakes we see at the shop.
    A guy told us his friend set up his fork by pumping it up to his body weight-they guy is a full-on clydesdale being pulled by gravity at about 230lbs! Of course the fork didn't move at all...:bang:
     
  11. riiz

    riiz Member

    Location:
    Redlands, CA
    Name:
    Eric
    Current Bike:
    Santa Cruz Heckler/Killmaleon
    Damn thats pretty dangerous, what fork did he pump up to 230 psi?
     
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  12. rossage

    rossage iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    East Sacramento
    Name:
    Ross Lawson
    Current Bike:
    Highball
    It was a Reba. The reason he brought it in is that he couldn't pump it up past 190! Gave it the old college try...
     
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  13. LLPoolJ

    LLPoolJ iMTB Rockstah

    Location:
    Moreno Valley
    Name:
    James Johnson
    Current Bike:
    Specy Epic, Stumpu and Enduro
    I am ready for Rampage thanks Chris.
     
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  14. Danimal

    Danimal iMTB Rockstah

    Location:
    Mission Viejo
    Name:
    Dan
    Current Bike:
    GG Trail Pistol!
    The easiest way to set up suspension?
    Go for a ride with Hrz and during the ride comment on how you think your suspension needs tweeking. Then consider it done.

    He is the suspension whisperer, really.
     
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  15. littlewave

    littlewave Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Newport Beach
    Name:
    Brett
    Current Bike:
    Ibis Ripley LS
    I've ridden with @herzalot a bunch but never complained (about suspension at least). Will try that next time!
     
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  16. Runs with Scissors

    Runs with Scissors iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    West Anaheim
    Name:
    Mark Whitaker
    Current Bike:
    2015 Giant XTC Advanced 1 29er
    I only rode with him a couple times, and I never complained about suspension either. ;)
     
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  17. konakc

    konakc Well-Known Member

    Name:
    kc
    thanks for the video! nice tips!
     
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  18. ULEWZ

    ULEWZ Member

    Location:
    Northridge, Ca
    Name:
    Lew
    Current Bike:
    2015 Intense Tracer Pro Carbon
    Can't we just hire a guy the same weight and height as we are and have him set it up? By the way, where is he?
     
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  19. bvader

    bvader Well-Known Member

    Location:
    HB
    Name:
    Mr. Brown
    Thanks and HAH.. I have slowly been honing in on nearly same process through trial and error still find front sag is combo of sag and bottom out and tokens. But the riding and compressing I feel Vindicated :) will need to try the fork rebound trick. All said I still probably ride a bit too slow... I would rather be a bit firm on small chatter than a bit too fast on big consecutive bumps / step down is not good for me!

    All that said I I still consider myself a suspension curious
     
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  20. mtnbikej

    mtnbikej J-Zilla

    Location:
    Orange
    Name:
    J M
    Current Bike:
    SC Chameleon SS, SC Hightower

    I did....but he was too busy cramping to hear me. :whistling:
     
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  21. Grego

    Grego iMTB Rockstah

    Location:
    Fullerton
    Name:
    joe
    Current Bike:
    WFO9
    Nice video. I usually set my rebound starting full open the dial it in to stop bouncing. Either way will do I suppose. Was hoping to see some compression along with high and low speed damping set-up as well.
     
  22. herzalot

    herzalot iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Laguna Beach
    Name:
    Chris
    Current Bike:
    '15 Intense Tracer 275c DVOish
    Good point. I think he was trying to keep it simple with suspension set up rather than tuning. In my experience, compression dials vary wildly. Some have virtually no noticeable effect, and some make a world of difference. Dampers with both low and high speed compression adjusters are a little tricky to fine tune. My rule of thumb is, almost no high speed compression (because who wants a fork or shock to fight high frequency chatter?) and a healthy dose of low speed compression to counteract dive on your plush fork. I want some support for those deep, slow compressions common on steep, techy terrain.
     
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  23. Mikie

    Mikie Admin/iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Lebec, California
    Name:
    Mikie Watson
    Current Bike:
    Santa Cruz Hightower/Yeti 5C
    That was a great, simple explanation! Thanks for posting this.
     
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  24. Luis

    Luis iMTB Addict

    Location:
    Sylmar
    Name:
    Luis
    Current Bike:
    Big Black 29er
    Set up my shock and fork per the video today and it feels like I got the plushness back. Couldn’t get my 160mm pike to make the wheel jump up though so I tried running the rebound faster than what I was originally had it set at.
    Coming down sunset trail the bike handled the chunk and chatter pretty smoothly :thumbsup:
     
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  25. Voodoo Tom

    Voodoo Tom MTB Addict

    Location:
    Castaic
    Name:
    Tom Kokkinakis
    Current Bike:
    Mango one, blue one, black one
    Interesting... Since the bike is new and I know all my current settings I decided to try this. It took me way longer than 10 minutes though and my wife & son & neighbors all think I'm nuts but at least Rusty didn't judge. When all was said & done I compared settings and I was literally 2 clicks off on rebound in the rear and 1 click in the front(both were rebounding too fast). Before I ever rode the bike I had already removed the 2 volume spacers that were in the fork cause it felt way to progressive. I could probably stand to remove a volume spacer from the shock also(just gotta figure out how). This is great cause it affirms my initial thoughts that the bike felt great on it's first ride. Fork psi is about 10-15 psi less than what the little sticker recommends and shock psi wound up being what my body weight is.
     
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  26. herzalot

    herzalot iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Laguna Beach
    Name:
    Chris
    Current Bike:
    '15 Intense Tracer 275c DVOish
    After viewing the ten minute video, I realized the ten minute comment refers to the length of time it took him to explain how to do it, not the amount of time it takes to do it.

    Like "How to mow your yard in ten minutes" would be misleading. More accurate would be "Take ten minutes to learn how to mow your yard properly..."

    Regardless, glad to hear it was helpful and/or reaffirming.
     
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  27. kingaucho

    kingaucho Member

    Location:
    South OC
    Name:
    Lubo
    Current Bike:
    Giant Anthem 29er
    Thanks for posting this, herzalot!

    Worked great with my Giant Anthem and Fox Float 29 and Fox shock. I then tried it with my Banshee Spitfire and the Rockshox Revelation and don't think I am getting the rebound set correctly. It is a Dual Air fork and I have the rebound set one click away from rabbit/fastest and still can't get the tire to lift off the ground. Should I take out the air from the negative chamber like I did for the sag?
     
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  28. HBkites

    HBkites Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Huntington Beach
    Name:
    Sharone
    Current Bike:
    Why Cycles S7
    I fill so out of touch.I'm not tapping my bike's full potential........ I need to get my $heet together.
    Maybe it is time to start messing around with my setup. Maybe I need to know what my setup is.

    But,,,,,,, 10 minutes is too much time.
    I pump the fork to the recommended PSI on the sticker and set the rebound to about the middle range.
    If I bottom out I add more air, and if I have more then an inch of travel left I take out some air.
    Then I try not to make any adjustments for 6 months.

    ....... Like I said. I need to get my $heet together.
     
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  29. mike

    mike iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Western US
    Name:
    Mike O
    Current Bike:
    GG Smash
    I used the method on two of our bikes. I say great; the weez wants her 50% sag back. :eek::stop:
     
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  30. herzalot

    herzalot iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Laguna Beach
    Name:
    Chris
    Current Bike:
    '15 Intense Tracer 275c DVOish
    That's not a bad method, actually. Especially the part about taking air out if you have an inch of travel left. Just remember that rebound adjustments need to be made after letting out or adding substantial air (like 5 psi). A click faster if you let out 5 psi and a click slower if you add 5 psi - assuming you like where your rebound is...

    Now if you have HSC or LSC settings just turn 'em all the way open unless you feel like taking the time to be persnickety! Here's a hint - if you like a plushy plush fork, let some air out and dial in some LSC if you have it.
     
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