Suspension advice needed

Discussion in 'Shop Talk' started by SS Barby, Feb 9, 2020.



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  1. SnakeCharmer

    SnakeCharmer iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Crescenta Valley
    Name:
    Mike, aka "Ssnake"
    Current Bike:
    Vassago/Trek
    I have heard that reviewers disagree about the SW. Some like it, some don't. That just goes to show you that the only perfect setting for a given rider is what works best for that rider through trial and error. SW should be thought of as a starting point only. So is the setting chart that the suspension companies offer on their shocks/forks/websites, and so are the videos on YouTube. Going back to my bud in AZ who invested in a SW, some of it's suggested settings were extremely close to how he had already set it on a given terrain but drastically different than how he had set it (to his own liking) on a different terrain. So, it's a case of "YMMV". Find a reputable starting point and adjust from there.
     
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  2. herzalot

    herzalot iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Laguna Beach
    Name:
    Chris
    Current Bike:
    '15 Tracer and/or Megatower?
    If you increase psi, you should probably increase rebound damping (by turning the knob clockwise), not reduce it - unless you want your fork to rebound faster.

    It's time for everybody to review this video.



    You're welcome! PS - the video is ten minutes, not the process.

    The one thing not mentioned is low speed and/or high speed compression dials. Back them all the way off (counterclockwise) if you have them, while doing this set up. Most of us never need to add any high speed compression damping. You can add low speed compression damping to keep a fork from diving if you like running it softer than recommended. I haven't found a reason to add low speed compression damping to a (rear) shock.

    If you have high AND low speed rebound adjust AND high AND low speed compression adjust - good luck! My Cane Creeks had all of that. I could figure it out, but it ain't easy.
     
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  3. Cyclotourist

    Cyclotourist iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
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    Name:
    David
    Current Bike:
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    Yeah, based on the comments above, sounded like a little faster couldn't hurt...
     
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  4. herzalot

    herzalot iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
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    Name:
    Chris
    Current Bike:
    '15 Tracer and/or Megatower?
    Try the test indicated in the video. :thumbsup: (7:25)
     
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  5. DangerDirtyD

    DangerDirtyD iMTB Addict

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    Name:
    Chicken Nugget
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    It’s those vagina tires you XC folk use.
     
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  6. herzalot

    herzalot iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
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    Name:
    Chris
    Current Bike:
    '15 Tracer and/or Megatower?
    Really?? There's no other way to describe wimpy tires?
     
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  7. DangerDirtyD

    DangerDirtyD iMTB Addict

    Location:
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    Name:
    Chicken Nugget
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    I wanted to use a term our President would understand. I suppose since vaginas convey humans, they must be rather tough. How about “sissy la-la”? That’s against what my female physical therapist warned me.
     
  8. DangerDirtyD

    DangerDirtyD iMTB Addict

    Location:
    CA
    Name:
    Chicken Nugget
    Current Bike:
    2018 Guerrilla Gravity SMASH
    I replaced the Super Alloy Racing #500 spring with the steel SRAM #500 spring that definitely is a stiffer #500 and 0.4 pound heavier, and the Squiggle Bug (my bicycle) is back to 30% sag when I'm fully kitted. For the 2018 GG Smash, 30% sag pedals better than 38% sag even with the additional weight. I had to add about 10 psi to the fork (from 80 to 90 psi on a 150mm Lyrik DebonAir with Charger) so the bike remains balanced. 25% sag in front and 30% sag in back makes for a mo bettah ride. I have no idea how many tokens are in the fork, but it feels plusher with 10 more psi, probably because it isn't spending as much time in the midstroke. I didn't adjust the rebound. It's 5 out of 8 clicks toward the rabbit and away from the turtle.
     
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  9. Faust29

    Faust29 iMTB Hooligan

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    Stef
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    3 SC is now 2 SC.
    I found the 'Ginatire!

    Note the smoothness of the surface that caused its demise...

    IMG_0806.jpeg
     
  10. mtnbikej

    mtnbikej J-Zilla

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    J M
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    The internet never forgets.
     
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  11. Mikie

    Mikie Admin/iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
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    Name:
    Mikie Watson
    Current Bike:
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    So I'm a little lost on this statement. How would someone deal with vast terrain difference with or without a ShockWhiz. I think the point being that you are seeking the most generally acceptable suspension tune for MOST of what you ride. Right?
    @Tom the Bomb said he owns one and the SW got him within a couple of clicks of what he has discovered from trial and error. For those who have no idea about suspension, seems like it would be like you said, a great intro into understanding tuning. But it will be no better or worse for extreme trail changes than hand dialing your bike yourself... yeah?
     
  12. DangerDirtyD

    DangerDirtyD iMTB Addict

    Location:
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    Name:
    Chicken Nugget
    Current Bike:
    2018 Guerrilla Gravity SMASH
    Damn stock tire. The thing was already 6 years old, and I’d run those XR3s again, but they have been sissyfied further with the latest iteration. Hey, where were you after this photo when we dropped into Old Emerald?
     
  13. Faust29

    Faust29 iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    irgendwo
    Name:
    Stef
    Current Bike:
    3 SC is now 2 SC.
    Strava says I was about 15 seconds behind you, but I passed you on the climb back out and had to wait 20 minutes at the top. :p

    That was on the single speed, though... so I walked that one nasty steep climb.


    Edit: no suspension settings on the back of the bike... other than air pressure.
     
  14. Tom the Bomb

    Tom the Bomb Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Alta Loma, Ca.
    Name:
    Thomas Cosgrove
    Current Bike:
    Niner rip 9

    Imtb mag reviewed it. You can look it up there.
     
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  15. DangerDirtyD

    DangerDirtyD iMTB Addict

    Location:
    CA
    Name:
    Chicken Nugget
    Current Bike:
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    Where’s that damn cat video! 20 minutes...2 minutes...its the same thing.
     
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  16. hill^billy

    hill^billy Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Prescott
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    hill^billy
    Damn! A secret weapon! ?
     
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  17. DangerDirtyD

    DangerDirtyD iMTB Addict

    Location:
    CA
    Name:
    Chicken Nugget
    Current Bike:
    2018 Guerrilla Gravity SMASH
    Bettis has one on his 650B Specialized Enduro. I haven’t seen it in action yet.
     
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  18. littlewave

    littlewave Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Newport Beach
    Name:
    Brett
    Current Bike:
    Ibis Ripley LS
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    DAYUM, would like to see his rec'd settings.
     
  19. SnakeCharmer

    SnakeCharmer iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Crescenta Valley
    Name:
    Mike, aka "Ssnake"
    Current Bike:
    Vassago/Trek
    I had higher expectations from the thing. That said, it seems like an expensive way to go about doing something that we can pretty much do ourselves, even the novices, with help from videos and literature that were already available. No offense to those who have it. I hope it works as expected for them.
     
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  20. Cyclotourist

    Cyclotourist iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Redlands
    Name:
    David
    Current Bike:
    Tallboy Upgrade
    Tried that, but no difference in the hopping, no matter where it was set (full on/off/in between). The rear wheel popped up a bit, but the front just kind of sat there...
     
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  21. SnakeCharmer

    SnakeCharmer iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Crescenta Valley
    Name:
    Mike, aka "Ssnake"
    Current Bike:
    Vassago/Trek
    Sounds like you need a new bike then.
     
  22. Cyclotourist

    Cyclotourist iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Redlands
    Name:
    David
    Current Bike:
    Tallboy Upgrade
    Haven't you seen the Santa Cruz thread... I'm trying!!!

    Oops, did I just say that?
     
  23. herzalot

    herzalot iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Laguna Beach
    Name:
    Chris
    Current Bike:
    '15 Tracer and/or Megatower?
    If you are doing the front end test as suggested, the back end shouldn't be doing anything. Shove the bars down and let go completely - while off the bike. If you can't get the tire to hop up with you rebound fully open (fast), you aren't letting go fast enough! Then turn in enough rebound damping so that the front wheel no longer hops off the ground when you let go.
     
  24. Cyclotourist

    Cyclotourist iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Redlands
    Name:
    David
    Current Bike:
    Tallboy Upgrade
    I tried... nothing.
     
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  25. herzalot

    herzalot iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Laguna Beach
    Name:
    Chris
    Current Bike:
    '15 Tracer and/or Megatower?
    Too bad you don't live closer. I'd have you dialed in in five minutes. :thumbsup:
     
  26. Cyclotourist

    Cyclotourist iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Redlands
    Name:
    David
    Current Bike:
    Tallboy Upgrade
    Thanks for the offer!
     
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  27. Tom the Bomb

    Tom the Bomb Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Alta Loma, Ca.
    Name:
    Thomas Cosgrove
    Current Bike:
    Niner rip 9
    David when was the last time you had a fork rebuild?
     
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  28. Cyclotourist

    Cyclotourist iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Redlands
    Name:
    David
    Current Bike:
    Tallboy Upgrade
    8/1/18 changed the oil and cleaned wipers. That was a while ago...
     
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