Santiago Oaks To Test Limitations On Multi Use Trails

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  1. mtnbikej

    mtnbikej J-Zilla

    Location:
    Orange
    Name:
    J
    Current Bike:
    SC Chameleon SS, SC Hightower
    Looks like some trails are going to be directional, some we are going to lose as cyclists.

    it’s official, the COVID craze has f’d everything up.

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  2. Sasquatch9billion

    Sasquatch9billion Well-Known Member

    Name:
    trinidad j. mendez
    Well, it's not like anyone's going to enforce it....
    Is that the Foothill high school newspaper?
     
  3. Rumpled

    Rumpled Well-Known Member

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    OC
    Name:
    Jim Martin
    Current Bike:
    2018 Specialized Epic Carbon C
    Hmm, this mentions 3 parks. What are the other two?
     
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  4. tick

    tick Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Orange
    Name:
    Tick
    Current Bike:
    Process 111
    Funny...it’s a very local paper with a solidly NIMBY editorial stance, and very pro-horsey. You’ll notice that they got the news from the Orange Park Acres HOA...

    it just reads like a high school paper.

    they have good coupons for the Pacific Ranch Market, and they stay on top of stuff like this. So I crack it open when it arrives.

    im pretty sure Peralta was already signed as out of bounds for bikes, so there’s not much here beyond codifying the unwritten rules. Having a sign at the bottom of old Chutes that sends hikers up the climber’s route is probably overdue.

    still a bummer that we need to deal with this.
     
  5. herzalot

    herzalot iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Laguna Beach
    Name:
    Chris
    Current Bike:
    2020 Revel Rail
    "...resulting from non-permitted activity..."

    Ummmm, we call them e-bikes.
     
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  6. bvader

    bvader iMTB Rockstah

    Location:
    HB
    Name:
    Mr. Brown
    I know not popular and probably completely different but I thought when some of the trails in Bommer Canyon we're 1 way during Covid.. it was betterer

    OTOH Oaks is OOC...
     
  7. Obsidian

    Obsidian Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Costa Mesa
    Name:
    Obsidian
    Current Bike:
    2017 Intense Tracer
    I am all for one way trails. Limestone Canyon did one way trails during Covid (before it burned down) and it was great.
     
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  8. H2oChick

    H2oChick Well-Known Member

    Name:
    K-Oss
    Just maybe having certain trails single direction will discourage the yahooz that insist on riding Coachwhip downhill, climbing Yucca or Cactus on their 45 lb ebikes to pick another location to ride altogether.
    We lose Peralta -
    Snowflakes hate rules so maybe they will also choose another park too!
     
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  9. tick

    tick Well-Known Member

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    Tick
    Current Bike:
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    I’ve got zero issues with folks riding down Coachwhip. But if you’re rad enough to skid the berms on Coachwhip, you’re rad enough to put on the big boy underwear and ride Cactus.
     
  10. Dirtrider....

    Dirtrider.... Well-Known Member

    Location:
    RSM
    Name:
    Paul
    Current Bike:
    RSD Middle Child Ti 29er
    time for strava dh kom challenges on the new single direction trails.

    can we bring our gas powered dirtbikes now?!?!
     
  11. bpacifica

    bpacifica Member

    Location:
    Yorba Linda
    Name:
    billy
    Current Bike:
    Pivot Shuttle
    Weak, Herz..."habitat impacts resulting from non-permitted activity..."
     
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  12. konakc

    konakc iMTB Rockstah

    Name:
    kc
    I like coachwhip downhill... Esp.. like to take newbies down bc it's a great long beginner flow trail...coachwhip is fine uphill and that's what I mostly do but there is bumble bee up and goat up as well.. when u do all of oaks ...u have to
     
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  13. konakc

    konakc iMTB Rockstah

    Name:
    kc
    That sucks we lose peralta.. but we still have hawk and grasshopper...
     
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  14. mtnbikej

    mtnbikej J-Zilla

    Location:
    Orange
    Name:
    J
    Current Bike:
    SC Chameleon SS, SC Hightower

    Last I checked....ebikes in OC Parks are a non-permitted activity.
     
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  15. Danimal

    Danimal iMTB Rockstah

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    Mission Viejo
    Name:
    Dan
    Current Bike:
    GG Trail Pistol!
    Yeah, they ride ebikes because they don't know how to read. The signs are pretty obvious but apparantly beyond the ebikers comprehension. So to expect ebikes to also follow one way and non permitted bike trails is a HUGE Longshot.


    And I have no problem with them except in the OC parks setting. the 30 mph uphill on hiking/biking trails is wrong on may levels.
    Also, a motorcycle license would be an appropriate requirement for purchase if it can exceed 15mph and motorized.
     
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  16. herzalot

    herzalot iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Laguna Beach
    Name:
    Chris
    Current Bike:
    2020 Revel Rail
    Not sure if you are adding to it or missing my point. E-bikes are non-permitted activity.

    We all impact habitat, but bikes without motors are permitted. Soooo.... what is the non-permitted activity they are referring to? :whistling:
     
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  17. Runs with Scissors

    Runs with Scissors iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    West Anaheim
    Name:
    Mark Whitaker
    Current Bike:
    2015 Giant XTC Advanced 1 29er

    But apparently the impetus is off-menu trail making....thus the "habitat impact."

    An e-bike on a sanctioned trail is annoying, but doesn't have any impact on the habitat. Same as in any forest closure order - if a bicycle or hiker is on a trail, it has zero - yes, ZERO - impact on the habitat being regrown or rehabbed, but the activity is often forbidden regardless of how much sense it makes.

    So if one is inclined to extend trails in a county park beyond that which originally existed, or never existed, then one may reasonably assume that the county government will get its panties in a wad because, well, it's the county government and they didn't approve it. No matter whether it makes sense or not.

    I work for a government. I know how they "think."
     
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  18. herzalot

    herzalot iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Laguna Beach
    Name:
    Chris
    Current Bike:
    2020 Revel Rail
    Ahhh - true. That would be another type of non-permitted activity. Unauthorized trail building and riding. Can I blame e-bikers for that too? :sneaky:
     
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  19. tick

    tick Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Orange
    Name:
    Tick
    Current Bike:
    Process 111
    My guess re:unpermitted activity is the YouTube meetups. Commercial filming in OC Parks is a $450/day permit. And commercially organized group rides are yet another permit. Same for flying a drone. I’m guessing that none of the posted videos did any of that.
     
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  20. bpacifica

    bpacifica Member

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    Yorba Linda
    Name:
    billy
    Current Bike:
    Pivot Shuttle
    Of course.
     
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  21. herzalot

    herzalot iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Laguna Beach
    Name:
    Chris
    Current Bike:
    2020 Revel Rail
    E-bikers!!! :whistling:
     
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  22. tick

    tick Well-Known Member

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    Orange
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    Tick
    Current Bike:
    Process 111
    These are my new cross country skis.
     
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  23. tick

    tick Well-Known Member

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    Orange
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    Tick
    Current Bike:
    Process 111
    I can fly under my own power, just like a bird!
     
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  24. Grassblade23

    Grassblade23 Member

    Location:
    Fullerton
    Name:
    Dan
    Current Bike:
    Surly Karate Monkey
    I drove my car on part of Peralta back in 2009. :whistling: #nosignage Guess I better go ride it one last time.
     
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  25. Dirtrider....

    Dirtrider.... Well-Known Member

    Location:
    RSM
    Name:
    Paul
    Current Bike:
    RSD Middle Child Ti 29er
    Rode Oaks yesterday... heat got to me and I was slower than normal... as I was climbing Coachwhip I looked over to Yucca and saw a "worker" riding his motorcycle down the trail and then turns around to ride up again. I guess that's how they do trail maintenance. not e-motorcycle but full on gas motorcycle like a KLR650 in his dayglo green vest no less. :facepalm: our tax dollars hard at work right there. :speechless:
     
  26. da big hills

    da big hills Well-Known Member

    Location:
    pearl harbor
    Name:
    cagey
    Current Bike:
    enduro 29
    nonsense. just say no to one way trails
     
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  27. Runs with Scissors

    Runs with Scissors iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    West Anaheim
    Name:
    Mark Whitaker
    Current Bike:
    2015 Giant XTC Advanced 1 29er
    Or boycott county parks....
     
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