Santa Ana Mountains, CNF

Discussion in 'Trail Conditions' started by mike, Oct 3, 2014.

  1. Rumpled

    Rumpled Well-Known Member

    Location:
    OC
    Name:
    Jim Martin
    Current Bike:
    2003 Giant Rainier
    Didn't they just recently put a couple of bridges in? Like isn't the one at the new USFS boundary gate new?
     
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  2. mike

    mike iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Western US
    Name:
    Mike O
    Current Bike:
    Guerrilla Gravity Smash
    The “Pear Tree” crossing bridge was replaced; no others recently I’m aware of.

    The one at the gate got holes filled last couple years, but it’s pretty old AFAIK.
     
  3. mike

    mike iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Western US
    Name:
    Mike O
    Current Bike:
    Guerrilla Gravity Smash
    Trabuco Creek Rd: OC Public Works will work off a list of residents, and will otherwise sign the road as open to residents only, so it seems like they may be serious about the closure AFA bike/ped access. Other details in the image I posted upthread.
     
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  4. SnakeCharmer

    SnakeCharmer iMTB Addict

    Location:
    Crescenta Valley
    Name:
    Mike, aka "Snake"
    Current Bike:
    Vassago/Trek
    Oh crud! :eek:
     
  5. mike

    mike iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Western US
    Name:
    Mike O
    Current Bike:
    Guerrilla Gravity Smash
    FWIW...the bridges project in Holy Jim is now projected to start in August, next month, so the work will overlap less with the county road project. The net is that, after the county road is reopened, there could still be weeks of restriction in HJ. There might be a temporary access road built around each of the two bridge replacements (still TBD); ped and bike access still undefined. My guess is they will build temporary roads through the sites and allow hikers/bikes through. Just a guess...
     
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  6. SnakeCharmer

    SnakeCharmer iMTB Addict

    Location:
    Crescenta Valley
    Name:
    Mike, aka "Snake"
    Current Bike:
    Vassago/Trek
    So then, climb in on Main Divide, drop in on UHJ and then LHJ, then climb back out to Main Divide, take that over to Trabuco and drop, then climb back out and exit the area via Main Divide? How's that for an ass kicker of a day's worth of riding?
     
  7. Faust29

    Faust29 iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Rancho Santa Margarita
    Name:
    Steve Macko
    Current Bike:
    3 Times SC, Oh My.
    Across Main Divide and down Bell Ridge... Skip Ding Dong and you end up in Robinson Ranch. Heck... Keep going and you can go all the way to Caspers.

    I need another crack at Bell... See if I can leave a little less blood this time.
     
  8. singlespeedrider

    singlespeedrider Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Irvine
    Name:
    Mark
    Current Bike:
    On One Lurcher Single
    Still haven’t hit Bell.
     
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  9. BonsaiNut

    BonsaiNut Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Laguna Hills
    Name:
    Greg P
    Current Bike:
    XTR 29er (aka Frankenstein)
    Is Harding open (it was closed during the fires)?
     
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  10. Faust29

    Faust29 iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Rancho Santa Margarita
    Name:
    Steve Macko
    Current Bike:
    3 Times SC, Oh My.
    Harding is closed... The fire has not been declared “out” yet.
     
  11. Faust29

    Faust29 iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Rancho Santa Margarita
    Name:
    Steve Macko
    Current Bike:
    3 Times SC, Oh My.
    Description of the closure... This one was located at the junction of STT and Cadillac. Basically, the entire mountain is closed, with the exception of Black Star and Skyline.



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  12. Rumpled

    Rumpled Well-Known Member

    Location:
    OC
    Name:
    Jim Martin
    Current Bike:
    2003 Giant Rainier
    CNF website and alerts sucks. Those of us who would try to get info on what is open or closed can find no good info. Just leads to more people going where they shouldn't and giving all of us a bad name.
     
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  13. Faust29

    Faust29 iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Rancho Santa Margarita
    Name:
    Steve Macko
    Current Bike:
    3 Times SC, Oh My.
    But there are signs at all of the entrance points... Maple Springs, Beeks, Harding, Trabuco Creek, and this one located at the boundary of the forest at the top of Cadillac.

    I'm guessing... And only guessing, that STT is not signed, becuase it's not entirely in the national forest. When you pass Cadillac, though, it's forest land. Hence the notice.
     
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  14. Rumpled

    Rumpled Well-Known Member

    Location:
    OC
    Name:
    Jim Martin
    Current Bike:
    2003 Giant Rainier
    Well, the signs are good. I haven't been out there. From my couch, I can't figure out where to go.
    Is 4 Corners affected?
     
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  15. Faust29

    Faust29 iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Rancho Santa Margarita
    Name:
    Steve Macko
    Current Bike:
    3 Times SC, Oh My.
    Every road and trail leading to 4 Corners is closed with signage. I'm really hoping that some of it reopens once they declare the fire to be out. The last projection I saw was September 1st.

    Road Closures in the CNF. Only Black Star and Skyline are open in the Trabuco District.
    https://www.fs.usda.gov/detailfull/cleveland/alerts-notices/?cid=stelprdb5340229
     
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  16. Rumpled

    Rumpled Well-Known Member

    Location:
    OC
    Name:
    Jim Martin
    Current Bike:
    2003 Giant Rainier
    So much that list leaves off, and not a recent update
    Coal Canyon?
    Eagle?
    No. Main Divide from Beeks cannot be affected.
    No actual trails listed on that trails and road list.
     
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  17. Runs with Scissors

    Runs with Scissors iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    West Anaheim
    Name:
    Mark Whitaker
    Current Bike:
    2015 Giant XTC Advanced 1 29er
    Pretty easy to find, at least as far as I can tell. It took me all of 20 seconds to get to it. Click on "Road Closures" and it brings up the entire list with status.

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  18. Faust29

    Faust29 iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Rancho Santa Margarita
    Name:
    Steve Macko
    Current Bike:
    3 Times SC, Oh My.
    It's listed in the boundary... Black Star is open to Main Divide. Meaning that you can't legally make the turn to go to the ruins. It is closed from the Beek's Gate to the 74. If you step off the "right" side of Black Star at any point, you are in the closure.

    So... From the OC side, all that is legal is Black Star to Skyline, or Black Star to Sierra Peak. From the Corona side, all that is legal is Skyline to Sierra Peak , or Skyline to Black Star.

    Hopefully this changes soon...


    Edit: I really like the "scattering cut brush to discourage illegal OHV activity." That makes it sound like they hope to open Main Divide in the near future...
     
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  19. Rumpled

    Rumpled Well-Known Member

    Location:
    OC
    Name:
    Jim Martin
    Current Bike:
    2003 Giant Rainier
    Oh, I found that easy enough. Last night the "Trails and Road Conditions" actually listed no trails, only roads. And, it was dated 8-7.
    From Beek's to Sierra Peak. What is that called? Is it part of Main Divide? = Closed
    Is it Coal Canyon or some other name = not listed.
     
  20. mike

    mike iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Western US
    Name:
    Mike O
    Current Bike:
    Guerrilla Gravity Smash
    Thanks for keeping this thread updated, guys. :thumbsup:
     
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  21. mtnbikej

    mtnbikej J-Zilla

    Location:
    Orange
    Name:
    J M
    Current Bike:
    SC Chameleon SS, SC Hightower

    Technically Skyline goes all the way up to Beeks gate.
     
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  22. BonsaiNut

    BonsaiNut Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Laguna Hills
    Name:
    Greg P
    Current Bike:
    XTR 29er (aka Frankenstein)
    Well this is certainly a little confusing...

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    Not to be confused with this....

    screenshot-www.imtbtrails.com-2018.08.25-19-50-36.png

    LOL I guess let me know when Black Star is "completely open" :) They should probably just drop the "open to" at the beginning of each comment.
     
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  23. sir crashalot

    sir crashalot Well-Known Member

    Location:
    laguna beach
    Name:
    gary fishman
    Current Bike:
    2018 banshee rune
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  24. Old&InTheWay

    Old&InTheWay Member

    Location:
    Orange, Ca.
    Name:
    Steve
    Current Bike:
    2017 Intense Primer Pro
    From National Interagency Report Aug. 25


    US Wildfire Activity Public Information Map - Page 8.jpg
     
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  25. konakc

    konakc Well-Known Member

    Name:
    kc
    Trabuco n holy jim..such fond memories.. it will come back... in time..
    I wonder if the christmas tree survived...
    Or the tom turkey.. probably roasted..
     
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  26. BonsaiNut

    BonsaiNut Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Laguna Hills
    Name:
    Greg P
    Current Bike:
    XTR 29er (aka Frankenstein)
    I understand what you are saying, but hope you are at least partially mistaken. This was a brush fire (versus forest fire). I am cautiously optimistic many/most of the trees survived. Who knows? There were parts of upper Trabuco that needed some clearing out and opening up.

    At least Holy Jim and Joplin - Harding - Maple Springs and the Motorway - Main Divide between Four Corners and Santiago - were untouched.

    This year has been the hardest for me - three of my favorite spots - Aliso, CNF, Idyllwild - all with major fires.
     
  27. Old&InTheWay

    Old&InTheWay Member

    Location:
    Orange, Ca.
    Name:
    Steve
    Current Bike:
    2017 Intense Primer Pro
    Holy Fire now 100% contained :)



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  28. knucklebuster

    knucklebuster Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Mission Viejo (South Orange County)
    Name:
    Dave
    Current Bike:
    Canfield The One '12
    From the Holy Jim Volunteer Fire Department FB page:

    "One other thing today, and forgive me for some of this. When all the activity about the fire winds down and everyone begins to get back to “normal,” there are always those who just completely ruin it for everyone. I’m talking about the destruction of the video at “Jeep Hill,” painting the Forest Service signs with banal graffiti, tearing down the “No Trespassing” signs the property owners put up, etc. So now new signs will go up shortly changing the speed limit and warning the marginal few that the CHP will be patrolling the road, THE COUNTY ROAD SUBJECT TO CALIFORNIA VEHICLE CODE, and writing citations. None of this had to happen if those few people would have had just the slightest respect for other people’s property."

    And another post of theirs from earlier today:
    "Unfortunately, there’s no change to the closure. From the visitor parking lot to the falls you wouldn’t know there’s been a fire unless you looked up and to the right once you were quite a ways up Holy Jim. Nevertheless, the Forest Service is still dealing with fire issues, so until they all settle into their offices and get back to every day issues, the closure will remain."
     
  29. Old&InTheWay

    Old&InTheWay Member

    Location:
    Orange, Ca.
    Name:
    Steve
    Current Bike:
    2017 Intense Primer Pro
  30. mtnbikej

    mtnbikej J-Zilla

    Location:
    Orange
    Name:
    J M
    Current Bike:
    SC Chameleon SS, SC Hightower
    Wow......that report makes it sound like they are expecting the end of the world. Also sounds like Trabuco Trail and West Horsethief are gonna need a whole lot of work.

    Looks like they are going to do Patrols in lieu of installing the pipe barriers in most places.

    What I didn't see was how long the closures were gonna be.
     
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