Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by jaime, Jul 4, 2017.
That was a scumbag move, totally intentional.
They always punish the payback. Cav started it. Bad move by the UCI.
I'm gonna go with Cav making the mistake....Sagan only did what he had to do to stay upright.
Watch again, and you will see Cav leaning in towards Sagan before the elbow goes up.
Bad decision on the officials to DQ him.
It's full contact cycling... Cav trying to pass (I'm a Cav fan) was leaning in trying to wedge through...then Sagan reacted. Bummer for both.
I don't follow road racing. I know the names, but I don't know history or anything else.
What I saw was Sagan throw an elbow multiple times and try to block the line before making contact. It was clearly intentional. It was not defensive.
Personally, I don't care what history exists. ******* moves in the past do not justify ******* moves in the future. This isn't the WWF.
This exactly. Cav made the contact into Sagan and Sagan reacted to it. Cav was already going down before the elbow even came out. Sagan was just trying to maintain balance and stay upright and push Cav off of him. Sagan has no obligation to move out of Cavendish's way. The UCI blew it with this call. They jumped the gun. They should have taken the time to look at all the film then make a decision. They had all night to review, but made the call quickly.
Part of the glory of a stage race victory is just surviving it.
It was defensive. Someone headbutts you, reaction is automatic.
Cav is a very aggressive sprinter. He uses his head and his shoulder to create space. He has 30 stage wins. He has never been dq'd for taking people out in sprints in the TDF. 5 more stage wins and he tops the Eddie the Animal. He is the golden child even as he nears retirement.
Cav used his head and shoulders to create space. Cavs wheels were nearly underneath Sagan. Cavs brake hood was under Sagans elbow. Sagan lifted his elbow to release the brake hood. There was traffic to Sagan's left and he held his line.
Unbelievable DQ. Simply unbelievable. But not when you consider the politics of the TDF. The same people who accepted a large donation from a certain American rider a few years back to overlook a positive drug test.
TDF now maybe gets a Frenchman to win the green jersey. Hmmmm.
I find it hard to believe that Sagan is clean, however. What he does, sometimes day after day is simply not humanly possible.
The tour just got boring. Give Froome the yellow and call it a day.
What was @rossage doing there? hmmmm
The first thing my wife said was Sagan must have pissed somebody off. I think she has a point.
Tinker Juarez posted a better pic on the Facebook. I think it's clear who was at fault now.
This is what I came up with too.
Cav saw a gap and went for it. By the time he came up on Sagan the bunch was already drifting towards the barriers. He was out of room and had to lean on Sagan to not get railed into the barrier. Unfortunately...he got railed into the barrier and went down. Sagan's elbow looked like a reflex move to get whoever that was on him...off. Sagan has nowhere to go also. There was another rider on his left that he was trying to keep clear. Cav almost looked he was already going down before Sagan threw his elbow.
Parting words from both riders: https://roadcyclinguk.com/racing/ma...ings-stage-four-crash-hits-online-trolls.html
I'm a fan of both riders (Cav from his HTC days) and bummed to see them both out.
Has anybody actually seen me sat the fair?
Bon soir mes amies!
Anybody got any baguettes?
I saw a slo mo video on Drunk Cyclists FB page and if look at Cav's bar...it looks like it is almost catching on Sagan's bar...and Sagan's "elbow" is to unhook himself from Cav's bar. Peter's DQ stinks more and more the more you look into it.
A better breakdown.
Good breakdown, I retract my scumbag statement.
I think sprinters drift too much far too often.
At the intermediate sprint, it looked to me that Peto was putting out a bit too much elbow. Rumors have it that some have been complaining about his sprints.
Generally, Cav can be a douche. The HTC documentary a few years ago showed some of this. Some think his stuff is funny, I think he crosses the Funny-Douche line. He also tries to move into holes that don't exist. (Most sprinters do). He tried to do the same thing a few years ago when Stage 1 was in England. He crashed himself out trying to move into a nonexistent hole.
In this case, I think Sagan was moving a bit much trying to stay on the wheel ahead (which was moving around and really chopped a guy) and Cav came up from behind along the rail where there was no space.
Cav tried to head butt his way in (track move) and was going down even before Sagan's elbow came out. I don't think the elbow even made contact. I think the elbow was to get the bars unhooked or keep his space.
Relegate maybe, but DQ was far too harsh
That was horrible... and funny... and sad.
And yeah, what about the French guy changing his line all over the place? Oh right, it's the Tour de FRANCE!
That's some funny chit!
Peter Sa gone.