Mt Bikers are Pre-Criminals!

Discussion in 'Trail Advocacy' started by herzalot, Aug 25, 2018.

  1. herzalot

    herzalot iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Laguna Beach
    Name:
    Chris
    Current Bike:
    '15 Intense Tracer 275c DVOish
    I was reading the Laguna Beach Independent, and specifically, an editorial written by local radio host Billy Fried. In his editorial, he was summarizing each of the candidates for Laguna Beach City Council. The longest running member of the Council, Toni Iseman, evidently shared a ridiculous idea on Billy's radio show. Here's the text:
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    WTF? So how would that work, do you suppose? All riders register at one of the entrances using their legal ID. Rangers(?) patrol to make sure all riders are donning their bibs?

    So hiker gets startled by mt. biker. They call somebody (ranger, police) and report the number. A warning or consequence gets levied against the mt. biker? Guilty!

    I will contact her directly to get clarification of these comments. She probably sees herself as being helpful to mt. bikers as she probably is pressured to make mt. biking the trails in Laguna entirely illegal. I am guessing this "bib system" would be her response. Pre-label all mt. bikers as a danger.

    I listened to the radio broadcast and heard her comments directly. She did follow up with the rhetorical question, "I don't know..is that too much of a police state?" The radio host and she then mentioned that tapping into the aging Rads - including Hans Rey and Brian Lopes - may be the key to more responsible riding.

    This is why it is so critical that all of us ride with courtesy. But we can do all of the right things and the older hikers will still hate mt. bikes.

    After I contact Iseman and get the details directly, I will return here and discuss any necessary collective actions we would need to take to stop the idea and make sure she is not re-elected.
     
  2. rossage

    rossage iMTB Addict

    Location:
    East Sacramento
    Name:
    Ross Lawson
    Current Bike:
    Highball
    I'll wear the bib. And nothing else! Write that down!
     
  3. sir crashalot

    sir crashalot Well-Known Member

    Location:
    laguna beach
    Name:
    gary fishman
    Current Bike:
    2018 banshee rune
    City of Laguna Beach has no jurisdiction in the surrounding county and state parks.
    I’ve lived in Laguna for 20 years now and it’s always the same ten people running for city council. I don’t vote for any of them anymore and she sure as hell lost my vote. That bit by Iseman is complete insanity. I’m never gonna wear a goddamm number.
     
  4. herzalot

    herzalot iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Laguna Beach
    Name:
    Chris
    Current Bike:
    '15 Intense Tracer 275c DVOish
    Yes. Very little of the trail system is in Laguna Beach, and there are several overlapping agencies with some authority. Either she was throwing an idea on the table with no thought, or she has thought about a coordinated effort including the OC Parks. I am guessing the former.
     
  5. herzalot

    herzalot iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Laguna Beach
    Name:
    Chris
    Current Bike:
    '15 Intense Tracer 275c DVOish
    Iseman started with an anecdote of a female lawyer friend who was knocked down and injured by a mt biker on the local trails. According to Iseman, her friend’s concussion was so bad she had to quit practicing law.

    Therefore, all mt bikers pose a threat, I guess.
     
  6. Andy

    Andy Member

    Location:
    The OC, Calif
    Name:
    Andy
    Current Bike:
    I've got a Silver Machine...
  7. Mikie

    Mikie Admin/iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Lebec, California
    Name:
    Mikie Watson
    Current Bike:
    Yeti ASR5c, SC Hightower
    I think she has an outstanding idea! :rolleyes:

    So as well Mrs. imtbtrails suggests...
    While distributing said numbered bibs, you should go ahead and distribute them to all the criminals in the area! That way! When a criminal does a bad thing, you can just call in their bib number!

    BRILLIANT!!!

    Man! I feel sorry for you City folks...
     
  8. Mikie

    Mikie Admin/iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Lebec, California
    Name:
    Mikie Watson
    Current Bike:
    Yeti ASR5c, SC Hightower
    I had to look in to her. This is on a site called My Life:

    Toni Iseman is 72 years old and was born on 9/6/1945. Currently, she lives in Laguna Beach, CA; and previously lived in Prescott, AZ. Sometimes Toni goes by various nicknames including Toni EIseman and ToniStednitz. Her ethnicity is Middle Eastern American, whose political affiliation is currently a registered Democrat; and religious views are listed as Jewish. Toni is now single. Other family members and associates include Larry Stednitz and NicholasStednitz.
     
  9. sir crashalot

    sir crashalot Well-Known Member

    Location:
    laguna beach
    Name:
    gary fishman
    Current Bike:
    2018 banshee rune
    How about this:

    Everyone who has started a wildfire, intentionally or not, has been a non-mtber. So, all non-mtb’ers have to wear a number and register with the land managers if they want to use the trails or live in a cabin in the wilderness, so we can easily identify if someone perpetrates
     
  10. sir crashalot

    sir crashalot Well-Known Member

    Location:
    laguna beach
    Name:
    gary fishman
    Current Bike:
    2018 banshee rune
    How can we know who’s a criminal ahead of time, if they’re not riding an mtb?
    (Sarcasm)
     
  11. sir crashalot

    sir crashalot Well-Known Member

    Location:
    laguna beach
    Name:
    gary fishman
    Current Bike:
    2018 banshee rune
    Ok, so we’d all have numbers
    Step 1. Find out (insert riders name you want to play a joke on)’s number
    Step 2. Switch out yours for his when riding
    Step 3. Do some f’ed up s*** in front of angry hikers
    Step 4. Profit
     
  12. herzalot

    herzalot iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Laguna Beach
    Name:
    Chris
    Current Bike:
    '15 Intense Tracer 275c DVOish
    Ummmm, not sure how any of that is relevant.

    EDIT:
    Wait a minute. After really thinking about this, perhaps you are making reference to the stars and other identifiers that the Jews were forced to wear in Nazi Germany. Whooa man - extreme, but a valid example.
     
  13. Mikie

    Mikie Admin/iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Lebec, California
    Name:
    Mikie Watson
    Current Bike:
    Yeti ASR5c, SC Hightower
    I think that is Cathy’s point! And what is the definition of “Reckless Behaviour!”
    Is this going to be defined objectively or subjectively by the crime reporter?

    I’m hoping that quote was just throwing mud at a wall and see what would stick. Not a move forward but just thought provoking idea tossing.
     
  14. SnakeCharmer

    SnakeCharmer iMTB Addict

    Location:
    Crescenta Valley
    Name:
    Mike, aka "Snake"
    Current Bike:
    Salsa/Trek/Kona
    Has anyone invented a disintegrating gun yet? I see a need for one now.
     
  15. Danimal

    Danimal Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Mission Viejo
    Name:
    Dan
    Current Bike:
    Rocky Mountain Altitude
    Hikers can be as clueless as any mtb'er.
    And can you imagine, some disgruntled person will randomly call in numbers.

    I say just ban everyone from the outdoors unless going to or from work and then require them to surf the net or play video games on their off hours. It's a very healthy way to live. I just don't understand why would anyone want to be outdoors and sweat.
     
  16. Faust29

    Faust29 iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Rancho Santa Margarita
    Name:
    Steve
    Current Bike:
    Chameleon & Highball C
    And temp numbers for non-local visitors? Or does she think that all mountain bikers reside within Laguna Beach? Ahhh... They all look the same!

    I'm guessing it was just a "throw it out there" comment to satisfy her aging hiker constituency until the election. That's a large voting block down there, isn't it?
     
  17. SingleTrackJB

    SingleTrackJB Member

    Location:
    Newport Beach
    Name:
    SingleTrackRider
    That will never happen. Just a dumb idea. Boycotting bikes from the park? Yes could well happen....stick to the trails, dont ride like a jerk like you are on the 405 and be friendly
     
  18. Rumpled

    Rumpled Well-Known Member

    Location:
    OC
    Name:
    Jim Martin
    Current Bike:
    2003 Giant Rainier
    Ok, I'll register. I claim number 69, or maybe 42, or maybe 3.14
     
  19. Danimal

    Danimal Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Mission Viejo
    Name:
    Dan
    Current Bike:
    Rocky Mountain Altitude
    Yep, we know the answer to everything is 42.
    Just haven't figured out the question yet .
     
  20. Runs with Scissors

    Runs with Scissors iMTB Addict

    Location:
    West Anaheim
    Name:
    Mark Whitaker
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    2015 Giant XTC Advanced 1 29er
    Word.
     
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  21. herzalot

    herzalot iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Laguna Beach
    Name:
    Chris
    Current Bike:
    '15 Intense Tracer 275c DVOish
    I was invited to coffee (next Friday) to discuss the matter further. I'll make sure to advocate for numbers that can be worn with or without a hydration pack!

    Maybe something like this:
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  22. sir crashalot

    sir crashalot Well-Known Member

    Location:
    laguna beach
    Name:
    gary fishman
    Current Bike:
    2018 banshee rune
  23. herzalot

    herzalot iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Laguna Beach
    Name:
    Chris
    Current Bike:
    '15 Intense Tracer 275c DVOish
    Certainly you know my sarcastic tendencies by now!

    I will let her know in no uncertain terms that advocating a mt biker registration and identification system is unacceptable in any iteration.
     
  24. sir crashalot

    sir crashalot Well-Known Member

    Location:
    laguna beach
    Name:
    gary fishman
    Current Bike:
    2018 banshee rune
    Of course!
    Thank you for doing this.
     
  25. blixet

    blixet Well-Known Member

    Location:
    San Gabriel Valley
    Name:
    Tom
    Current Bike:
    Bronson
    I claim # 1.



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  26. Faust29

    Faust29 iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Rancho Santa Margarita
    Name:
    Steve
    Current Bike:
    Chameleon & Highball C
    I hope you at least read his biography. This guy definitely sounds like a mountain biker! Although I think 7 years for stealing cigarettes at age 13 might have been a little excessive. :confused:

    http://www.virginiamemory.com/blogs...hot-monday-walter-turpin-no-3159-and-no-4361/

    Good luck with the meeting... Although the conclusion is already in place if you're on the wrong side of the numbers game.
     
  27. doublewide

    doublewide Well-Known Member

    Name:
    Mark
    Current Bike:
    Ride Life Ride Giant
    Now, if she suggested these,I could get on board!

    s-l300.jpg

    Kidding of course...

    ......From my cold dead hands!!
     
  28. SnakeCharmer

    SnakeCharmer iMTB Addict

    Location:
    Crescenta Valley
    Name:
    Mike, aka "Snake"
    Current Bike:
    Salsa/Trek/Kona
    Shouldn't there be one that says "BACON"?
     
  29. Runs with Scissors

    Runs with Scissors iMTB Addict

    Location:
    West Anaheim
    Name:
    Mark Whitaker
    Current Bike:
    2015 Giant XTC Advanced 1 29er
    I don't see Darla, Buckwheat, or Spanky. o_O:p
     
  30. mountaingirl sara

    mountaingirl sara Well-Known Member

    Location:
    So Cal
    Name:
    Sara Ford
    Current Bike:
    Santa Cruz 5010
    I don’t even know what to say about this crazy shite! This does make me extremely grateful for my quiet mtns.
     
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