Kona Satori

Discussion in 'Bike Reviews' started by Derkderkall, Feb 27, 2018.

  1. Derkderkall

    Derkderkall Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Covina
    Name:
    Derek Allison
    Current Bike:
    2012 Rockhopper 29
    http://www.konaworld.com/platform_satori.cfm

    New for 2019, the Satoria is back.
    Super steep seat angle at 78.3 degrees... dropper is not even an option, pretty much necessary..

    68 head angle.. they call it a mid travel xc bike...

    only 2 price points.. eagle drivetrain... or ten speed...
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  2. beartooth

    beartooth Member

    Name:
    rob
    Current Bike:
    process111
    I have been on a process 111 for almost two years. My favorite ride so far... been riding mtb since 87 and have ridden complete boutique custom and off the rack bone stock and many frankenbike set ups, anyways For those techy people, what is the difference between the suspension on the process and satori?
     
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  3. Cisco Roots

    Cisco Roots Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Maple Valley WA
    Name:
    Cisco
    Current Bike:
    YT Jeffsy 29
    I have seen this bike in person at my LBS. One of my riding buds is actually the new owner. Don’t think he has taken it out yet. Looks pretty sweet. I’ll let you all know how he likes it.
     
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  4. Cyclotourist

    Cyclotourist iMTB Addict

    Location:
    Redlands
    Name:
    David
    Current Bike:
    Santa Cruz Chameleon
    What is the argument for such a steep seat angle?
     
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  5. Runs with Scissors

    Runs with Scissors iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    West Anaheim
    Name:
    Mark Whitaker
    Current Bike:
    2015 Giant XTC Advanced 1 29er
    The only argument that matters...it works for those who buy it. :thumbsup:
     
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  6. Derkderkall

    Derkderkall Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Covina
    Name:
    Derek Allison
    Current Bike:
    2012 Rockhopper 29
    Supposedly to make it climb more like an xc bike.
     
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  7. mike

    mike iMTB Addict

    Location:
    Western US
    Name:
    Mike O
    Current Bike:
    Guerrilla Gravity Smash
    It keeps the cockpit more consistent through the dropper stroke, and makes climbing easier.
     
  8. Cyclotourist

    Cyclotourist iMTB Addict

    Location:
    Redlands
    Name:
    David
    Current Bike:
    Santa Cruz Chameleon
    OK, thanks. That just seems crazy-steep.
     
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  9. scottay

    scottay Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Gods Country
    Name:
    Scottay
    Most published ST angles are deceptive and "effective" angles. And you can change the actual angle just by moving the seat fwd or back on the rails.
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    All this comes into play when you properly get your bike fit. What good is a steep STA when you need to use a set-back seatpost?
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    I visually compare the STA with the head tube angle. Kinda gives you a quick reference of what it actually measures. I believe HT measurements more than STA quotes.

    Are those chainstays pretty long at 430?
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  10. Mikie

    Mikie Admin/iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Lebec, California
    Name:
    Mikie Watson
    Current Bike:
    Santa Cruz Hightower/Yeti 5C
    We just had that discussion but for the opposite on the Hightower. The shorter chain stays brings the rear wheel forward... with the steeper seat tube angle it better centers body weight over the front and rear end.
     
  11. Cyclotourist

    Cyclotourist iMTB Addict

    Location:
    Redlands
    Name:
    David
    Current Bike:
    Santa Cruz Chameleon
    Thanks, makes sense, just like using wider bars with a shorter stem. 78^ just seems crazy steep though. Especially for someone on the saddle a lot. If you use your dropper all the time, and are rarely seated/spinning, it would work better. But for a rider that sits/spins more (long SoCal climbs!, it seems sorta' not so good. That kind of rider would probably do better on a bike w/ longer stays so the SA could stay in the 73-74^ range.
     
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  12. mtnbikej

    mtnbikej J-Zilla

    Location:
    Orange
    Name:
    J
    Current Bike:
    SC Chameleon SS
    Not necessarily.....while I loved my Tallboy 3, the slack ST angle made it uncomfortable to sit and pedal. Always felt like I was pedaling out in front of myself. Some of that may have been having the bike overforked a bit. Slamming the seat forward in the rails helped a little.
     
  13. Cyclotourist

    Cyclotourist iMTB Addict

    Location:
    Redlands
    Name:
    David
    Current Bike:
    Santa Cruz Chameleon
    Right, real far back isn't necessarily good, either! I'm sure this package works together and is really well thought out. Just working to wrap my brain around that STA!
     
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  14. scottay

    scottay Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Gods Country
    Name:
    Scottay
    They make up those STA numbers. The seat tube is curved back. If they measured at the BB location it would be super steep. But if they measured from further up, its probably much more slack.
     
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  15. Cyclotourist

    Cyclotourist iMTB Addict

    Location:
    Redlands
    Name:
    David
    Current Bike:
    Santa Cruz Chameleon
    So numbers are from the marketing dept, not the engineering?
     
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  16. kioti

    kioti iMTB Rockstah

    Name:
    Jim Jennings
    Current Bike:
    ibis ripley
    Hei Hei,
    No, No,
    Steep seat angle
    Is the way to Go!
     
  17. jimbowho

    jimbowho Member

    Location:
    acton
    Name:
    james jim jimmy
    Current Bike:
    12 GT sensor 29r
    Miffed on the flex-pivot. And on a Kona review it says flexing seat stays. So if I were to remove the shock and wheel then with one finger move the rear end through the stroke, would I be fighting the resistance from a seat stay bending? I'm no engineer. I remember cannondale doing a true chainstay flex thing. I like this bike ALLOTTT.
     
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  18. scan

    scan Well-Known Member

    Name:
    fran allas
    Current Bike:
    Scott Spark
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  19. herzalot

    herzalot iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Laguna Beach
    Name:
    Chris
    Current Bike:
    '15 Intense Tracer 275c DVOish
    OK - let's go all geometry here.

    If you bring the seat tube that far forward, aren't you cutting the reach and the effective top tube length again? So now what? A 5' wheelbase for XL?

    Let's not go to extremes in any measurement. I know, very boring. We know what works well for trail bikes: 16.9" chainstays, 73-75° seat tube angle. Longer - but not stupid long - reach (26" ETT for XL or 19" reach), 65-67° head tube (steeper if 29er). 13.5" BB height. Low but not too low. 780mm bars - wide, but not too wide. 50mm stem, etc.

    You know, like this:
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  20. Derek13

    Derek13 Member

    Location:
    Costa Mesa
    Name:
    Derek Smith
    Current Bike:
    SC Hightower and Chameleon
    The one I demoed at Live Oak event couple months ago climbed like a rocket. Unreal how every pedal stroke boosted me forward. The front tire (Ardent) was complete crap on Luge loop. Guy that rode demo before me came back missing skin and some clothing. Asked him what happened and he said front tire washed out twice and went down. I proceeded to take it out and struggled to get through loose descents without front sliding all over the place. Bike felt real good otherwise.