Cuz the 240s Needed to be better?

Discussion in 'Hubs' started by herzalot, Apr 30, 2020.


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  1. Stkx66

    Stkx66 iMTB Rockstah

    Location:
    Southern California
    Name:
    Steve
    Current Bike:
    Santa Cruz Hightower 27+/ 29r
    Instant? Yes, but when you push down on the pedals there is a bit of " loading " before your power is applied to the wheel or drive system. Onyx hubs will feel weird to a new user. Still, I like mine because they're quiet.
     
  2. mtnbikej

    mtnbikej J-Zilla

    Location:
    Orange
    Name:
    J
    Current Bike:
    SC Chameleon SS, SC Hightower

    Do more “Points of Engagement” :sneaky: make technical/rough uphills easier....not if you keep pedaling. As long as you are pedaling, pints are irrelevant. Restarting pedaling, they do make some difference. However most people generally don’t stop pedaling while going up technical climbs. :ninja:
     
  3. Sidewalk

    Sidewalk iMTB Rockstah

    Location:
    The road is where I call home
    Name:
    Josh
    Current Bike:
    N+1
    The Hope Pro 2's on my E29 are 42 POE. Plenty for me. The Sram 900 on my spare wheel (I need to build that) is 52. More than enough. The Stans Neo Ultimate were 72, and were really nice to have in an XC race on a hardtail.

    I occasionally have to ratchet on tech stuff with a lowish BB, and the full squish compressing on stuff, even then 42 is plenty. But that may not be for everyone.
     
  4. Runs with Scissors

    Runs with Scissors iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    West Anaheim
    Name:
    Mark Whitaker
    Current Bike:
    Giant XTC with pedals
    Just go all in, and get the 360 POE.

    I think that's called a fixie. :rolleyes:
     
  5. SnakeCharmer

    SnakeCharmer iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Front Range, San Gabes
    Name:
    Mike, aka "Ssnake"
    Current Bike:
    YT Izzo
    Not my experience. Technical climbs (rock stairs/steps or direction adjustments) require momentary pauses between pushes on the cranks to stall out for a micro second (AZ tech, probably Utah tech as well). That's where fast engagement shines.
     
  6. mike

    mike iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Western US
    Name:
    Mike O
    Current Bike:
    HT, FS
    I'm quoting this for posterity and as a guiding light forward. :cool::thumbsup:
     
  7. herzalot

    herzalot iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Laguna Beach
    Name:
    Chris
    Current Bike:
    2020 Revel Rail,Yeti SB 130 LR
    They do if they are about to strike a pedal!



    And as for high PoE, the drag is noticeable on any section of coasting, especially coming off a much faster hub. I am sure your expectations adjust, but jump on a Star ratchet 36 DT Swiss and coast on a gentle grade next to your buddy on his i9s. You won't for long, because you will pull away very, very quickly. I'd rather have the faster, more reliable hub that makes a difference every ride than the one time in every five rides that I could use faster engagement.
     
  8. Runs with Scissors

    Runs with Scissors iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    West Anaheim
    Name:
    Mark Whitaker
    Current Bike:
    Giant XTC with pedals
    And to chime in from the "never-noticed-the-difference-except-the-noise" crew....I've never noticed the difference between the 36 POE I used to have and the 56 POE I have now. Except the buzz factor.
     
  9. rossage

    rossage iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    East Sacramento
    Name:
    Ross Lawson
    Current Bike:
    Highball
    I prefer the 36 in my 240s, 350. All using Wolftooth Boostinator DR without problem.
    Not looking forward to buying three new Shimano 12spd freehubs.
     
  10. Danmtchl

    Danmtchl iMTB Rockstah

    Location:
    Bakersfield
    Name:
    Dan
    Current Bike:
    2020 Trek Fuel EX 9.7
    My Bitex hubs have 56 POE and cost a fraction of any of the hubs mentioned above.
     
  11. mike

    mike iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Western US
    Name:
    Mike O
    Current Bike:
    HT, FS
    What's the reliability factor? Cost ranks low for me on hubs. Reliability is #1. I strayed once and regretted it.
     
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  12. SnakeCharmer

    SnakeCharmer iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Front Range, San Gabes
    Name:
    Mike, aka "Ssnake"
    Current Bike:
    YT Izzo
    @Faust29 and I will put your theory to the test soon on some DH pavement. He with his DTs, me with my i9s. May the faster hub win....

    Of course, we won't take into account all of the factors that can effect the results.
     
  13. Cyclotourist

    Cyclotourist iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Redlands
    Name:
    David
    Current Bike:
    Don't fence me in!
    My buddy has one and loves it.

    Just, different...

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  14. Danmtchl

    Danmtchl iMTB Rockstah

    Location:
    Bakersfield
    Name:
    Dan
    Current Bike:
    2020 Trek Fuel EX 9.7
    I have had 3 pairs, I currently have two sets. One pair is 5 years old and the only problem I’ve had was a pawl broke on the freehub.

    Parts are readily available at the Bike Hub Store or any bike shop with a J&B account. The Origin8 hubs are rebranded Bitex hubs. Also like DT Swiss, the hubs come with axle adapters.
     
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  15. mike

    mike iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Western US
    Name:
    Mike O
    Current Bike:
    HT, FS
    Got ya, thanks.

    Seeing DT Swiss doesn’t use pawls, that won’t happen. “Parts readily available” is not confidence inspiring to me. A hub failure once in five years is too often for a light and careful rider like me. Getting hosed in the middle of a multi-day ride by a failed hub...I’ll happily pay a premium to avert that. Especially during bad times for hitchhiking.
     
  16. SnakeCharmer

    SnakeCharmer iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Front Range, San Gabes
    Name:
    Mike, aka "Ssnake"
    Current Bike:
    YT Izzo
    Mine too.
     
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  17. Cyclotourist

    Cyclotourist iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Redlands
    Name:
    David
    Current Bike:
    Don't fence me in!
    DT's lower level 370 Hubs have traditional three pawl type engagement. I've never broken one, but the potential is there.
     
  18. Faust29

    Faust29 Moderator

    Location:
    irgendwo
    Name:
    B. Bunny
    Current Bike:
    I gots some bikes.
    Oh, stop that. You just shot holes in all the marketing materials! :p

    I'll stick with 36... No desire to go more.
     
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  19. DangerDirtyD

    DangerDirtyD iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    CA
    Name:
    Chicken Nugget
    Current Bike:
    2018 Guerrilla Gravity SMASH
    @mike, that’s the hub you were abusing while SMASHing through the Rockys, Transverse, and Peninsular ranges. It’s primed for back-up deployment in La Verne when called upon. @rossage , what hub did you destroy exiting Echo Canyon in Death Valley?
     
  20. rossage

    rossage iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    East Sacramento
    Name:
    Ross Lawson
    Current Bike:
    Highball
    That was a DT Onyx, now called the 370. Freehub failure. One of the three pawls cracked.
     
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  21. DangerDirtyD

    DangerDirtyD iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    CA
    Name:
    Chicken Nugget
    Current Bike:
    2018 Guerrilla Gravity SMASH
    Funny how they work… Until they don’t. After destroying three Bontrager rhythm pro hubs (either cracking the free hub body or smithering prawls) within 2 months’ time, my LBS built a rhythm pro scandium wheel with a DT350 hub and added the 36 star ratchet as a “courtesy” for not recognizing the schwaggyness of the Bonty hub circa 2015. It’s too bad I don’t ride enough to put the DT 350 to good use, especially since it’s on a 26er. 027BB0D6-9551-41E5-A08E-1E43946EF138.jpeg 5C4832F2-57E8-4782-BA7C-7B8592BE42DD.jpeg
     
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  22. Danmtchl

    Danmtchl iMTB Rockstah

    Location:
    Bakersfield
    Name:
    Dan
    Current Bike:
    2020 Trek Fuel EX 9.7
    I have never been hosed in a middle of a ride, just noticed it when servicing the hub. DT Swiss has parts readily available also, so is that confidence inspiring? Well in your book, no. So I will stick with my confident and reliable hubs that have never failed me, ever.
     
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  23. SnakeCharmer

    SnakeCharmer iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Front Range, San Gabes
    Name:
    Mike, aka "Ssnake"
    Current Bike:
    YT Izzo
    "just another @SnakeCharmer troll"

    :laugh::Roflmao:thumbsup::p:D:geek::inlove:
     
  24. HBkites

    HBkites Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Huntington Beach
    Name:
    Sharone
    Current Bike:
    Why S7, Revel Rascal, Spark RC
    I can do this test easily as long as I avoid changing tires ... but I'm not sure I can motivate myself to take the time.
     
  25. SnakeCharmer

    SnakeCharmer iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Front Range, San Gabes
    Name:
    Mike, aka "Ssnake"
    Current Bike:
    YT Izzo
    Well, I pulled away from Steve today on the DH pavement but I was tucked and I don't know if he was. However, Ross pulled away from me with his Specialized/DT hubs and he was tucked as well.

    So, the mystery continues...
     
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  26. herzalot

    herzalot iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Laguna Beach
    Name:
    Chris
    Current Bike:
    2020 Revel Rail,Yeti SB 130 LR
    It's not a mystery - i9s are slow.

    EDIT at @SnakeCharmer's request:

    It's not a mystery, i9s are slower than hubs with less engagement. Which is almost every hub. It's science! :thumbsup:
     
  27. SnakeCharmer

    SnakeCharmer iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Front Range, San Gabes
    Name:
    Mike, aka "Ssnake"
    Current Bike:
    YT Izzo
    That's is false. Reword your statement.
     
  28. mtnbikej

    mtnbikej J-Zilla

    Location:
    Orange
    Name:
    J
    Current Bike:
    SC Chameleon SS, SC Hightower
    And Steve doesn't know how to tuck. :Roflmao
     
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  29. SnakeCharmer

    SnakeCharmer iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Front Range, San Gabes
    Name:
    Mike, aka "Ssnake"
    Current Bike:
    YT Izzo
    I'll bet that you would have never said such a thing while he was still living in da OC.
     
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  30. mtnbikej

    mtnbikej J-Zilla

    Location:
    Orange
    Name:
    J
    Current Bike:
    SC Chameleon SS, SC Hightower

    Sure I would.....when he would eventually catch up. Down Silverado, I'd tuck...he didn't....I'd pull away. :sneaky:
     
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