Bike Build?

Discussion in 'Shop Talk' started by Stkx66, Jul 19, 2018.

  1. Stkx66

    Stkx66 Member

    Location:
    Southern California
    Name:
    Steve Boudreaux
    Current Bike:
    Santa Cruz Bronson C
    My Goal: Build a bike for Bikepacking and to use on local trails.
    I want to build my own bike and am looking at Why S7 bike hardtail Frame and DVO fork** ( 3 Fork options available) $ 2,850.00. "Why" bicycles are located in Carbondale, Colorado.
    I would be looking at under $4K using my own 27 + wheels from my Hightower. My 29r wheels will also fit this Why S7 frame.

    I have:
    Wheels 27+ ( Dt 350 hubs )
    Enve Carbon Handlebars
    Guide Ultimate brakes
    Dropper Post**
    Seat

    Need to buy:
    Stem
    crankset
    Derailleur, cables, shifter control
    ** Cane Creek EE Silk/Thudbuster seat post as an option
    Chain


    Options: Buy a Chameleon ( I've been close to buying this bike..)$ 3,600.00
    Buy a Vassago Verhauen steel frame, start there and knock off another $ 1,000.00
    Stay home, buy nothing and do yard work. ( Sorry.. Not gonna' happen. )
    Whatdyathink?
     
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  2. Sasquatch9billion

    Sasquatch9billion Well-Known Member

    Name:
    trinidad j. mendez
    Someone on this site has an S7 frame. I saw it at Tapia once and it's an awesome looking bike.
     
  3. moto knight

    moto knight Member

    Location:
    Riverside
    Name:
    kyle
    Current Bike:
    Santa Cruz Bronson
    The S7 is a Beauty!!!
     
  4. Faust29

    Faust29 iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Rancho Santa Margarita
    Name:
    Steve
    Current Bike:
    Chameleon & Highball C
    That would be @HBkites ... And it is a beautiful bike in person. Not sure I'd pick it over the Lizard, but it sure is pretty...
     
  5. SnakeCharmer

    SnakeCharmer iMTB Addict

    Location:
    Crescenta Valley
    Name:
    Mike, aka "Snake"
    Current Bike:
    Salsa/Trek/Kona
    Does a dropper work on a bikepacking rig? Wouldn’t you want to use the area under and behind the saddle for storage?
     
  6. bigringrider101

    bigringrider101 Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Winnetka CA
    Name:
    Berni Avila
    Current Bike:
    Jones Space Frame Ti truss for
    Vassago makes Ti frames too.
     
  7. Stkx66

    Stkx66 Member

    Location:
    Southern California
    Name:
    Steve Boudreaux
    Current Bike:
    Santa Cruz Bronson C
  8. Stkx66

    Stkx66 Member

    Location:
    Southern California
    Name:
    Steve Boudreaux
    Current Bike:
    Santa Cruz Bronson C
    Yes, but some put a clamp on the post to make sure it doesn't drop to far. I'm also considering solid post. BTW. The BB is 12.095 high on this S7. The Chameleon BB is around 12.3 high. I don't know much about the Vassago Vanhauen but my friend likes this steel frame and suggested I take a look at it for an option for Bikepacking purposes.
     
  9. mtnbikej

    mtnbikej J-Zilla

    Location:
    Orange
    Name:
    J
    Current Bike:
    SC Chameleon SS
    The Why S7 is purdy.....and if I was building a custom geared Ti bike....I'd definitely be looking at that.

    SC designed the Chameleon to do it all......including Bikepacking. However it will still be a great trail bike to compliment the Hightower.....don't ask me how I know. :whistling:

    Didn't Vassago go away for several years? Not real familiar with them.

    Thudbuster post seems like overkill.....plus how will it work with a rack? Carbon or Ti post will take the edge off without the weight/motion. Not a fan of suspension seatposts.
     
  10. riiz

    riiz Member

    Location:
    Redlands, CA
    Name:
    Eric
    Current Bike:
    Santa Cruz Heckler/Killmaleon
    The chameleon has a smallish usable front triangle for bags, I can fit the Small Blackburn Outpost framebag in my XL chameleon but it fits good in there.

    And Wolftooth makes a plastic clamp for dropper posts with seat bags. I have used a bag with a dropper sans the clamp and no harm came to the post or bag.
     
  11. SnakeCharmer

    SnakeCharmer iMTB Addict

    Location:
    Crescenta Valley
    Name:
    Mike, aka "Snake"
    Current Bike:
    Salsa/Trek/Kona
    Vassago is alive and well...

    The Vanhauen is built with a lighter weight steel that provides an even better ride quality than the general chromolies used on other steel frames.
     
  12. mike

    mike iMTB Addict

    Location:
    Western US
    Name:
    Mike O
    Current Bike:
    Guerrilla Gravity Smash
    Looks great, Steve. Psyched!

    I would have a rigid post on stand-by for BP routes that don’t demand dropper capability. Swapping them out is usually NBD. I’ve been using a Syntace HiFlex CF post on my hard tail and I think it makes a marked difference. No issues with seat bags. A dropper with a limiter is a great option.

    Have fun with the project!
     
  13. evdog

    evdog Well-Known Member

    Location:
    San diego
    Name:
    Evan S
    Agreed. Make sure to look at how much room the bike leaves between seat at the height you'll need it at, and the rear tire. Also look at how much room there is in the front triangle. Frame size and design can affect these a lot (ie curved vs straight top tube). Hard to get a lot of room with small or even some medium frames. This can prevent you from using a frame bag or a seat bag with dropper, or just from using a dropper.
     
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  14. Mikie

    Mikie Admin/MTB Addict

    Location:
    Lebec, California
    Name:
    Mikie Watson
    Current Bike:
    Yeti ASR5c, SC Hightower
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  15. Faust29

    Faust29 iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Rancho Santa Margarita
    Name:
    Steve
    Current Bike:
    Chameleon & Highball C
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  16. Stkx66

    Stkx66 Member

    Location:
    Southern California
    Name:
    Steve Boudreaux
    Current Bike:
    Santa Cruz Bronson C
    What maker/ model is the " Lizard " ?
     
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  17. mtnbikej

    mtnbikej J-Zilla

    Location:
    Orange
    Name:
    J
    Current Bike:
    SC Chameleon SS
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  18. Stkx66

    Stkx66 Member

    Location:
    Southern California
    Name:
    Steve Boudreaux
    Current Bike:
    Santa Cruz Bronson C
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  19. Stkx66

    Stkx66 Member

    Location:
    Southern California
    Name:
    Steve Boudreaux
    Current Bike:
    Santa Cruz Bronson C
    So.. I'm having a hard time making a choice of bike. I don't think I can have both a weekend play bike and bikepacker too. Since Bikepacking is on top of my list my focus is to concentrate on a good bike for this purpose. The Why Wayward model bike is 29+. It has 100mm fork and an even lower BB.
     
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  20. HBkites

    HBkites Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Huntington Beach
    Name:
    Sharone
    Current Bike:
    Why Cycles S7
    The S7 is a great filly.
    She loves going downhill fast.
    If you are looking for a size L let me know (I'm considering moving up to XL)


    I also have a DVO fork (on my SS) and the Pike (on the S7). I don't need both.
     
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  21. Faust29

    Faust29 iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Rancho Santa Margarita
    Name:
    Steve
    Current Bike:
    Chameleon & Highball C
    If bike packing is your main priority, why not look at something like the Niner SIR? Fun geometry, but enough mounts for just about anything you want to strap to it.


    Edit: And I heard they even make a great Counting Coup rig! @HBkites
     
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  22. Danmtchl

    Danmtchl Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Bakersfield
    Name:
    Dan
    Current Bike:
    2015 Devinci Troy Carbon 27.5
    I built my Kona for bikepacking adventures but have not done any yet. Plan on doing Henry Coe state park in October with a buddy of mine.
     
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  23. mike

    mike iMTB Addict

    Location:
    Western US
    Name:
    Mike O
    Current Bike:
    Guerrilla Gravity Smash
    If you already have a bike(s) that crushes trail, I agree that focusing on a "good" bikepacking bike is a sensible way forward. But depending on what your idea of BP is, you might do well to have that bike be shredworthy. Firstly and obviously, you can have fun on your local trails on it; have a spare for when your go-to shred sled is down.

    On anything like the CO Trail or AZT, a bikepacker with trail-ish geo can make it more fun. You're already at a disadvantage on tech terrain with a loaded bike, and maybe a rigid (or limited drop) seat post. Dismounting tons of terrain or feeling sketched on said is not the most relaxing way to do those trails. Trail geo can offset those aspects. I don't see slack head angle, low BB and lack of rack mounts as an impediment to using any bike as a BPer.

    Ultimately it depends on your objectives – types of bikepacking outings you like or hope to do, specific trails or sections, how you want to complement your existing bike(s). If I didn't make it clear, I think you can have a fun trail bike that you can load up and do pretty much anything. Some creativity might be needed, but you better have that anyway if you're heading out for days on your bike.

    Have fun tooling up...it's a process, enjoy it, Steve. :geek:
     
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  24. Stkx66

    Stkx66 Member

    Location:
    Southern California
    Name:
    Steve Boudreaux
    Current Bike:
    Santa Cruz Bronson C
    Thank You for your offer but I'm leaning more toward the Wayward or similar 29+ wheel options.
     
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  25. Cyclotourist

    Cyclotourist iMTB Rockstah

    Location:
    Redlands
    Name:
    David
    Current Bike:
    Santa Cruz Chameleon
    Those look like great bikes... I like 'em! (even w/ the PF BB)
     
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  26. Stkx66

    Stkx66 Member

    Location:
    Southern California
    Name:
    Steve Boudreaux
    Current Bike:
    Santa Cruz Bronson C
    I have the Hightower for regular trails. I've been surfing Bikepacking.com for info and ideas. YouTube. I will be starting off small with overnighters but it will be some time before I can take or intend to take more than 2-3 days at a time for this activity. I have so many questions but one of the things I want but may not get in the end is silent hubs. And yes I am having fun looking for parts- seat posts, cranksets and perhaps a set of Jones 45 degree handle bars. Things like that. We haven't even discussed gear yet. Camping supplies. My wife wants me to just buy the bike. ( Wife support yay! ) I'm not in a huge rush so I keep gathering info. Thank you for your input! I appreciate it.
     
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  27. Stkx66

    Stkx66 Member

    Location:
    Southern California
    Name:
    Steve Boudreaux
    Current Bike:
    Santa Cruz Bronson C
    http://shop.vassagocycles.com/
    Help please..? I'm emailing with back and forth with Vassago. They say that the Verhauen frame is not available for at least 2 months but he can hook me up with a Titanium frame for close to the cost of the Verhauen. I don't know firm pricing yet or which frame. They offer the Mooseknuckle, Optimus and Radimus titanium frames. Which one would you pick from this company?
     
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  28. Faust29

    Faust29 iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Rancho Santa Margarita
    Name:
    Steve
    Current Bike:
    Chameleon & Highball C
    Just looking at the geometry numbers quickly... The Mooseknuckle and the Optimus are old style steep head tube angle designs (69 degrees). The Radimus is a little more slacked out (67 degrees) and probably more stable and fun to ride.

    With room for a 29x2.8 with the dropouts all the way forward... That opens up a lot of possibilities.

    Now, don't get me looking at titanium frames. :p :stop:
     
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  29. Runs with Scissors

    Runs with Scissors iMTB Addict

    Location:
    West Anaheim
    Name:
    Mark Whitaker
    Current Bike:
    2015 Giant XTC Advanced 1 29er
    All of those would be awesome IPA names. :p
     
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  30. mtnbikej

    mtnbikej J-Zilla

    Location:
    Orange
    Name:
    J
    Current Bike:
    SC Chameleon SS
    The chain stays on the Radimus look really long. 430mm slammed all the way forward. Maybe it’s just visual.
     
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