Aliso-Wood and Laguna Coast Wilderness Parks

Discussion in 'Trail Advocacy' started by herzalot, Sep 4, 2018.



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  1. HBkites

    HBkites Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Huntington Beach
    Name:
    Sharone
    Current Bike:
    Why Cycles S7
    I'm glad that I was following my friend JO last Thursday @ 6 am when we found out (in full speed) that the trail was "changed". No "warning/tail work" signs anywhere on the trail.
    For riders who ride in regularly (30+ times per year) the modification and the lack of signage is extremely dangerous.

    Aperently, a few days before an older rider was airlifted out of lizard. I wonder this trail modification had something to do with it.
     
  2. bvader

    bvader Well-Known Member

    Location:
    HB
    Name:
    Mr. Brown
    Glad I have been warned I dive in pretty hard on my afternoon rides... That would suck to come up on that at warp speed
     
  3. FizzyCola

    FizzyCola Member

    Location:
    The soda aisle.
    Name:
    Dr. Thunder
    Any idea of how this change will affect Strava?
     
  4. mtnbikej

    mtnbikej J-Zilla

    Location:
    Orange
    Name:
    J M
    Current Bike:
    SC Chameleon SS, SC Hightower
    It won’t.
     
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  5. FizzyCola

    FizzyCola Member

    Location:
    The soda aisle.
    Name:
    Dr. Thunder
    ^ Thanks, that was a close call.
     
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  6. Ebruner

    Ebruner Well-Known Member

    Name:
    Erik Bruner
    Current Bike:
    SC Hightower, Kona Hei Hei
    Rode lizards again last night. Still not mad at the changes they made and I have no issues with how it rides. I'm not a strava chaser... but I do happen to be faster on lizards in comparison to the masses then I typically am. I don't really see how this could cause anyone any serious trouble if they don't know it's there. If you're riding so at the limit of your control in a mixed use park that you can't adjust your line with changing trail conditions, I'd suggest reeling it in a bit.

    This is pretty low on the LCF neuter-o-meter for me. The initial paver effort was already non-natural enough that this doesn't seem like trail destruction or neutering to me. Top of T/A? Another story. Lead in to camarillo? Again, wasted effort, poor building and another story. This one isn't even on the radar compared to the other two.
     
  7. DBMX119

    DBMX119 Member

    Location:
    Huntington Beach
    Name:
    Rick McKee
    Maybe they changed it more since then but two rows of rocks standing vertically could easily cause trouble for anyone, especially when they are in the path of the original layout of the trail.
     
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  8. Ebruner

    Ebruner Well-Known Member

    Name:
    Erik Bruner
    Current Bike:
    SC Hightower, Kona Hei Hei
    So you mean to tell me that trail speed doesn't allow you to alter your line 2' to the left with 7-10' of notification on a trail? What do you do when you come around that same corner and there is a hiker standing on the rocks?

    For me... If I'm riding at such a pace that I don't have the ability to alter my line to deal with changes in trail conditions and un-expected obstacles, then joke's on me. I got what I signed up for.
     
  9. DBMX119

    DBMX119 Member

    Location:
    Huntington Beach
    Name:
    Rick McKee
    The speed I carry does not prevent me from altering my line, and notice I didn't say I crashed or had major trouble stopping.

    To suddenly have to go to the far left (more than 2' BTW), and make an additional turn to do so, after 5 years or so of always going straight to the right side of the trail that was built by a parks service team (including Hans Ray I believe) was unexpected. Having the the previous trail blocked by 2 rows of rocks standing on their ends without any signage indicating a trail change is dangerous IMO.

    This didn't seem like the normal park service trail work. That is all I was saying in my original post. I certainly wasn't looking to have my riding skills and trail etiquette challenged.
     
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  10. Obsidian

    Obsidian Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Costa Mesa
    Name:
    Obsidian
    Current Bike:
    2017 Intense Tracer
    I usually ride Lizards at least twice per month, but I am having trouble picturing what they did to the trail based on the descriptions here. It sounds like they got rid of some of the P-Lines, and if so, good. The top had so many alternate lines that it was getting ridiculous. I will ride it next week sometime for sure. I am interested to see the changes.

    Regardless, it does not sound like anything too drastic. A drastic change was when they suddenly changed Sage Scrub in Whiting Ranch a couple of years ago. A trail that previously went straight and started to pick up speed after a blind corner suddenly had a switchback installed right at an extremely fast section. It would have been nice to have signs there fore sure.
     
  11. BonsaiNut

    BonsaiNut iMTB Rockstah

    Location:
    Laguna Hills
    Name:
    Greg P
    Current Bike:
    Santa Cruz Hightower CC XX1
    It's a little sketchy even if you know it is there :) The first time was an eye-opener for me, that's for sure :)
     
  12. SingleTrackJB

    SingleTrackJB Member

    Location:
    Newport Beach
    Name:
    SingleTrackRider
    I rode it again yesterday and i did not notice anything. Where exactly were changes made? Is it right at the bottom before you go into the bushes?
    Would say this is still one of my favorite trails. It would probably still best to make it one way. I am just worried that someone will get hurt one day (e.g a runner with headphones on running up, especially on the second part visibility is patchy and bikers go fast)

    (Speaking on favorite trails, Stagecoach climb from bottom of Camarillo towards Nix, that i did yesterday, is definitely one of the better climbs! Trail is in good shape too)
     
  13. bvader

    bvader Well-Known Member

    Location:
    HB
    Name:
    Mr. Brown
    So here is the pic.

    These are my observations I have no insight only what I've seen or the last couple years.

    Clearly they pulled out all the stones they laid that was supposed to be the sustainable primary track when they redid lizard.

    I've been referring to the stones as molars with receding gum lines for the last year or two. it seemed kind of like a good idea when they first did it but they were neither tight enough to act like pavers or no one refill the dirt that was slowly edging away by erosion.

    Not dangerous for most of us but it certainly was a little more treacherous / intimidating for whomever and that's why the alternate line appeared.

    I'm kind of hoping this is something temporary because the line data left doesn't really look very sustainable to me the uneducated. When they were doing that polling several months ago a number of folks said that there was work coming so maybe that's it maybe it's just the beginning we all shall see

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  14. bvader

    bvader Well-Known Member

    Location:
    HB
    Name:
    Mr. Brown
  15. Obsidian

    Obsidian Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Costa Mesa
    Name:
    Obsidian
    Current Bike:
    2017 Intense Tracer
  16. FizzyCola

    FizzyCola Member

    Location:
    The soda aisle.
    Name:
    Dr. Thunder
  17. Torrent77

    Torrent77 Member

    Name:
    Dave
    The sketch without the glasses really captured his goofy face.
     
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  18. Obsidian

    Obsidian Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Costa Mesa
    Name:
    Obsidian
    Current Bike:
    2017 Intense Tracer
    Nice.
     
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  19. da big hills

    da big hills Well-Known Member

    Location:
    pearl harbor
    Name:
    cagey
    Current Bike:
    enduro 29
    based upon the evidence of one photo i see a nice jump if you are not afraid to crush a few dead stems. i do t an issue with p trails. Humming bird has zillions, I try to stay on the original path but some of those P trails are smarter, then again some are made by the Gravity Pirates. You can tell when there is something tricky up ahead as P trails start to pop up. Just try and stay off the G dudes P trails, they are easy to spot as they go down the fall line. I remember a few years back, we were in full drought and somebody was trying to block the P trails on Rattlesnake with things that made some pretty nice high speed downhill jumps. In the photo just take the inside of the left line, hit that little protrusion and straighten out the path. Get about 6 feet of travel at the same time Win-Win.
    happy straightening out the trails
    there is a second jump right after but you need to land and crank that corner, best left for those off camber dudes.
    PS the photo looks like Mr Toads at the bottom of Space except no high chaparral. Fast-Twisty and jumpy with a good drop. Fly at your own risk.
     



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