Aliso-Wood and Laguna Coast Wilderness Parks

Discussion in 'Trail Advocacy' started by herzalot, Sep 4, 2018.

  1. littlewave

    littlewave Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Newport Beach
    Name:
    Brett
    Current Bike:
    Ibis Ripley LS
    Also, they couldn't have waited for that hiker to come off Fenceline before starting down?! She was two steps from being completely out of their way. :bang:
     
  2. Redman

    Redman Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Cypress, Ca
    Name:
    Kevin
    Current Bike:
    Santa Cruz Nomad CC 27.5
    same could be said about the first video. no communication with any of the other trail users. Just fly by them without a care in the world.
     
  3. Faust29

    Faust29 iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Rancho Santa Margarita
    Name:
    Steve
    Current Bike:
    Chameleon & Highball C
    Yep... No communication, no bell, no class... "Look at me!"
     
  4. kioti

    kioti iMTB Rockstah

    Name:
    Jim Jennings
    Current Bike:
    ibis ripley
    Rough crowd around here. I remember back when I was 63.. I used to ride like that too!?!

    But, hey, I'm 64 and a lot better now. :thumbsup:
     
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  5. Cyclotourist

    Cyclotourist iMTB Addict

    Location:
    Redlands
    Name:
    David
    Current Bike:
    Santa Cruz Chameleon
    Like a fine bottle of wine...
     
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  6. Mo Awesome

    Mo Awesome Newbie with Hope!

    Location:
    In My Van
    Name:
    MoAwesome
    Current Bike:
    All of them
    Got this email, I won’t be back in time because Canada is insane and I’m having too much fun following people trying to kill me but if you are around good time to participate!

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  7. kioti

    kioti iMTB Rockstah

    Name:
    Jim Jennings
    Current Bike:
    ibis ripley
    Umm.. that cork was yanked a looong time ago. :Roflmao But thanks!!! :inlove:
     
  8. kioti

    kioti iMTB Rockstah

    Name:
    Jim Jennings
    Current Bike:
    ibis ripley
    Mo, come back! We need you!!! :)
     
  9. Mo Awesome

    Mo Awesome Newbie with Hope!

    Location:
    In My Van
    Name:
    MoAwesome
    Current Bike:
    All of them
    I would but I’m riding hundreds of massive rock slabs, insane death tech moves (all of which are legal, on a map, and maintained) surrounded by forest with no toll road running through it and no one is trying to give me a ticket. And I get 25%off everything because USA ! It’s goingto be a tough sell to get me back at this point

    But the weather should turn soon and then we’ll be back



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  10. konakc

    konakc Well-Known Member

    Name:
    kc
    Its tuff to ride in desert after wet carpet
     
  11. herzalot

    herzalot iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Laguna Beach
    Name:
    Chris
    Current Bike:
    '15 Intense Tracer 275c DVOish
    As Mo posted, I got this from Hallie Jones today:

    Laguna Canyon Foundation Trails Forum

    Thursday, 10/18

    5- 7pm

    Laguna Beach Beer Company
    859 Laguna Canyon Road
    Laguna Beach, CA

    I will make plans to be there. I have a meeting with a City Council woman that following Saturday also.
     
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  12. mtnbikej

    mtnbikej J-Zilla

    Location:
    Orange
    Name:
    J
    Current Bike:
    SC Chameleon SS
    Douchebag statement of the day from the Oaks today: "I just don't stop, they can't do anything if I don't stop".

    Statement made by an ebiker when I commented on the fact that the parks were issuing tickets for ebikes in the park. So instead of manning up, he just runs instead. Makes all of us look bad.

    Then again, said douchebag rolled up with his half lid, 100% goggles, shin guards and elbow guards.

    Sorry, things like this are not winning anyone over.

    On a positive note, I gave him about 1/3rd run down Barham Ridge before I chased him down and passed him. Suz nearly caught him as well....but he reached the climb and took off.
     
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  13. CBone

    CBone Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Antelope Valley
    Name:
    Tucker
    Current Bike:
    Intense Primer
    They will get that 25% back when you buy a tank of gas at $4.56 a gallon.
    The price of 1 liter (1/4 gallon) of gas in Vancouver is $1.14 (C$1.49)
    https://www.expatistan.com/price/gas/vancouver/USD
     
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  14. tick

    tick Member

    Location:
    Orange
    Name:
    Tick
    Current Bike:
    Process 111
    Well, he understands California law pretty well then—if I’m not arrested then it’s completely legal.
     
  15. Obsidian

    Obsidian Member

    Location:
    Costa Mesa
    Name:
    Obsidian
    Current Bike:
    2017 Intense Tracer
    If the Rangers were smart, they would arrest a few of the "runners" for fleeing and confiscate their bikes. They are law enforcement, afterall. The word would spread very quickly.

    If the Rangers were really smart, they would write a ticket for speeding for every loser on an eBike who pulls out a handicapped placard ... there are ways around everyone's way around.
     
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  16. Obsidian

    Obsidian Member

    Location:
    Costa Mesa
    Name:
    Obsidian
    Current Bike:
    2017 Intense Tracer
    Does this group have any actual influence with the people who actually make the decisions? I am not super familiar with the group, so that is a legit question.

    If so, I could attend, despite having other plans. I only mention it because it seems like this particular meeting might have a large gathering .... numerous bikers on my FB have posted the link ... both those I am with and those I am against. If the pro-eBike crowd will be strong and the group has reasonable influence, I might be willing to sacrifice my plans and show up.
     
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  17. herzalot

    herzalot iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Laguna Beach
    Name:
    Chris
    Current Bike:
    '15 Intense Tracer 275c DVOish
    LCF is the primary group authorized to put shovel to earth in Aliso and LCWP. However, they are not law enforcement in any way.
     
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  18. MnMDan

    MnMDan Member

    Location:
    Irvine, CA
    Name:
    Dan Eitman
    Current Bike:
    Trek Superfly FS
    LCF also has a lot of sweat equity, community capital, and have been more pro-active in their participation with all users and the governing authorities in the management of Aliso and LCWP than just about anyone else. Their membership and core group includes many who were using the trails in these areas before they were even part of a trail management plan or the land was acquired as a buffer around Laguna Beach.

    They do have influence. They are not law enforcement. Their HQ is at the bottom of Stairsteps. And as I said, they are well-respected as a group among the MTB Industry as well as those who may have an anti-MTB bent. Its a tough line they straddle. At worst, attending means beer. At best, its a chance to connect with more people and find opportunities to make a larger positive impact.
     
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  19. Ebruner

    Ebruner Well-Known Member

    Name:
    Erik Bruner
    Current Bike:
    SC Hightower, Kona Hei Hei
    I'm going to try and attend. I was trying to lay out a ride to do before hand... tough to do one that doesn't end up coming down the og trail that should not be named lol. I will obviously not do that for all of the reasons, I just found it ironic that my first through was hrm, that is right at the bottom of ......
     
  20. littlewave

    littlewave Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Newport Beach
    Name:
    Brett
    Current Bike:
    Ibis Ripley LS
    Let me know if you're going to ride before, maybe I'll sneak out of work early and join.
     
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  21. Cyclotourist

    Cyclotourist iMTB Addict

    Location:
    Redlands
    Name:
    David
    Current Bike:
    Santa Cruz Chameleon
    Then they would argue they are being profiled/targeted due to their "disabilities."

    The wheel keeps turning...
     
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  22. Faust29

    Faust29 iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Rancho Santa Margarita
    Name:
    Steve
    Current Bike:
    Chameleon & Highball C
    The justification that other areas (National Forest...) have used is that a wheelchair is always an assistive device for the disabled. It has no other purpose. The same can not be said for an e-bike. In fact, looking at the Specialized website, they use words like "thrilling" to describe the ride. Nowhere do they even mention that their e-bikes are designed for handicapped mobility.

    A truly disabled person isn't looking for thrills. They just want to get around.
     
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  23. Cyclotourist

    Cyclotourist iMTB Addict

    Location:
    Redlands
    Name:
    David
    Current Bike:
    Santa Cruz Chameleon
    It would be cool for there to be complimentary electric wheelchairs that they could offer. "Why yes sir and/or madam, we realize your disability precludes your fully enjoying this resource, so we have this available for you to use during your stay with us..."
     
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  24. littlewave

    littlewave Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Newport Beach
    Name:
    Brett
    Current Bike:
    Ibis Ripley LS
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  25. TwoWheel Eric

    TwoWheel Eric Member

    Location:
    Orange County
    Name:
    Eric
    Current Bike:
    TallBoy 3 29"
    Agree, is the intent really that handicapped can ride e-bikes or is it that handicapped can use electric wheel chairs in parks (obviously not suitable for most trails but perhaps for some).
     
  26. LLPoolJ

    LLPoolJ iMTB Rockstah

    Location:
    Moreno Valley
    Name:
    James Johnson
    Current Bike:
    Specy Epic and Stumpy
    Anyone wanna thumb wrestle?
     
  27. Mikie

    Mikie Admin/iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Lebec, California
    Name:
    Mikie Watson
    Current Bike:
    Yeti ASR5c, SC Hightower
    I'm not going to debate thumb wrestling with you. Get over it... :rolleyes:
     
  28. skyungjae

    skyungjae Member

    Location:
    Fullerton, CA
    Name:
    Kyung Jae
    Current Bike:
    2015 Santa Cruz Bronson C
    I feel like enforcement is always going to be lacking when it comes to ebikes on trails they're not allowed on. I imagine it's easier to tell someone to leave immediately or disconnect their battery, than to write a ticket or impound a bike.

    Public safety usually takes priority over simply enforcing rules. As long as the ebike is blending in and not riding like a hooligan, I highly doubt any ranger is going to stop what they're doing and get involved. I imagine the majority of trail users would rather a ranger enforce leash laws than chase down e-poachers blending in with a group of regular riders.

    What would really force an agency's hand on ebikes is if people were constantly getting injured riding them or injuring bystanders. Until then, ebikes in most prohibited areas, is likely going to be enforced like speeding on the highway, dark tint on front windows, no front plate, etc...

    Another thing to consider is most commercial ebikes can be ridden without power. Golden Gate bridge has prohibited ebikes for as long as I can remember, but you can still ride them across if you power them down. Disconnecting the battery isn't required, so no one every does.

    Will rangers not cite if the bike is powered down or the battery completely disconnected? Is it okay if the battery is a backpack or left in the car? It would be funny if the rangers would take the battery forcing a conventional ride to their station to pick it up. :laugh:
     
  29. LLPoolJ

    LLPoolJ iMTB Rockstah

    Location:
    Moreno Valley
    Name:
    James Johnson
    Current Bike:
    Specy Epic and Stumpy
    Must be my mastery of it.
     
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  30. tick

    tick Member

    Location:
    Orange
    Name:
    Tick
    Current Bike:
    Process 111
    I know ebikers think they blend in, but y’all are ridiculously easy to spot at a great distance.

    I’ve only encountered one fit rider on an ebike ever. He was hard to spot, as he was taking a break. If you move at the speed of a World Cup champ but your BMI is over 30, you aren’t fooling anyone.