Aliso and Woods Canyon Fire 6/2/2018

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  1. DangerDirtyD

    DangerDirtyD iMTB Hooligan

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    CA
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    Chicken Nugget
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    2018 Guerrilla Gravity SMASH
    Creating opportunities for loop trail experiences will influence hikers, who may do one, maaaaybe two, loop(s) in a day, but for cyclists who can traverse the landscapes multiple times each day, variety is the flavor du jour. If authorities really want to deter off menu ordering, strategic cholla placement and confiscation of bikes with a buy-back program to raise funds for an updated Resources Plan are the way to go.
     
  2. kioti

    kioti iMTB Rockstah

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    Jim Jennings
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    It should also be noted that cyclists don't need to be able to ride 'up' trails in order to enjoy them. IMO, one way to have less traffic on, or building of new, off-menu trails is to incorporate popular, existing unauthorized trails with as few changes as possible. For riders, Nestall can be accessed from the top from the neighborhoods, or by riding up Meadows or West Ridge to TOW. And of course hikers can, and do, go up or down virtually anything.
     
  3. sir crashalot

    sir crashalot iMTB Rockstah

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    laguna beach
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    gary fishman
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    2018 banshee rune

    wow. Thanks, Barnes. at least it looks like rockit, mathis, carwreck escaped the burnage, though cant really see upper mathis and car wreck in this pic. Its actually good for the ecology there to burn every 20-25 years. (but not too frequently). Im not sure if that patch burned in '93.
    Firefighters did an incredible job stopping this fire.
     
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  4. Derek13

    Derek13 Well-Known Member

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    Derek Smith
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    SC Hightower
    Lunchtime trip to get a look. Crews are still hard at work.

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  5. SnakeCharmer

    SnakeCharmer iMTB Hooligan

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    Now there's a fire in Agua Dulce that is threatening homes and ranches. Here we go again. :mad:
     
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  6. Cougar

    Cougar Well-Known Member

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    Craig
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    That's a great pic of the burn area.
     
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  7. sir crashalot

    sir crashalot iMTB Rockstah

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    laguna beach
    Name:
    gary fishman
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    2018 banshee rune
    Dripping cave, nestalls,end of coyote. Coulda been a lot worse...
     
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  8. tbarnesarc

    tbarnesarc Well-Known Member

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    Taylor
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    Interesting photo! So it didn't affect smoothies / oh henry but did affect the bottom of nestall like we thought.
     
  9. herzalot

    herzalot iMTB Hooligan

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    Chris
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    Looks like Smoothies has been bulldozed. Time to add it to the legal trails!
     
  10. herzalot

    herzalot iMTB Hooligan

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    Laguna Beach
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    Chris
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    So we should give the careless smoker a commendation! :gag:

    Can we give him a bill for the firefighting too?
     
  11. sir crashalot

    sir crashalot iMTB Rockstah

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    laguna beach
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    gary fishman
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    2018 banshee rune
    No we should not; and yes we should. Was just stating a fact and trying to be positive, sheesh. Was not advocating arson.
     
  12. herzalot

    herzalot iMTB Hooligan

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    Chris
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    And I was just doing my job as resident smartass.... :confused:;) :thumbsup:
     
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  13. sir crashalot

    sir crashalot iMTB Rockstah

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    laguna beach
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    gary fishman
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    Oh yeah. Ha, didnt I hear that there was some big fire where they ended up sticking the kid who started it with the firefighting and damages bill?
     
  14. kioti

    kioti iMTB Rockstah

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    Jim Jennings
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    ibis ripley
    It sure looked like the fire got all the way to the houses, based on this clip.

    But I'm curious about a couple things.. First, if one of us came on a fire like this in it's earliest stages, would we simply report it, or actively try to keep it from spreading (if we could do so safely)?

    And then, if fire's a healthy part of the ecosystem, shouldn't controlled burns be a scheduled part of the management plan?
     
  15. mtnbikej

    mtnbikej J-Zilla

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    J
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    They are currently doing controlled burns up on Main Divide from Eagle towards Bedford.
     
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  16. sir crashalot

    sir crashalot iMTB Rockstah

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    laguna beach
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    gary fishman
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    2018 banshee rune
    I think thats Soka University.
    1. If a fire is small enough for you to put out by yourself safely, you caught the guy that started it! Most likey not much you could do, just contact ranger or fire dept ASAP
    2.I think in the county parks its too risky in such a small area in close proximity to homes on all sides. Like J said they do it in the national forest.
     
  17. kioti

    kioti iMTB Rockstah

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    Jim Jennings
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    1. Well, in that case I've caught 3 lightening bolts! First on scene with one in Yosemite (witnessed from the top of Half Dome), one near Mammoth (way up above McGee Creek), and one on the New Mexico prairie (responded with my brother). Also interrupted a road ride in Lake Forest to cut a line (with my Sidi's) above an emerging brush fire. Had it stopped by the time the FD rolled up.

    2. I think you'd start with a perimeter and also work down from the top. That way you'd protect the homes and lessen the chance of the fire's own energy driving it up the slope.
     
  18. sir crashalot

    sir crashalot iMTB Rockstah

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    laguna beach
    Name:
    gary fishman
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    2018 banshee rune
    oh, i thought we were just considering fires in aliso, generally human-caused. sounds like i was ambushed by a former firefighter! Yeah , if you catch it early enough, for sure!
    i love Mcgee Canyon.
    2. True! Still think theyll nevr do controlled in aliso or lcwp.
     
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  19. kioti

    kioti iMTB Rockstah

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    Jim Jennings
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    Not a fire fighter, just a concerned citizen and outdoor enthusiast. :) But my brother was a Hot Shot, so maybe some of it rubbed off. (And the brush fire in Lake Forest was most likely human-caused and being watched by 20 or so people in a nearby apartment complex. None of whom took action, other than maybe a phone call.. which I'd hope would be different with some of us.)

    My concern in the county parks is that a necessary and natural occurrence isn't being addressed proactively, AFAIK. The protection of human structures and, more importantly, lives is obviously of the highest priority. But in open space, the brush and trees are also a structure, in many cases for threatened species. IMO, fire management would be a natural component of a truly comprehensive plan.
     
  20. sir crashalot

    sir crashalot iMTB Rockstah

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    laguna beach
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    gary fishman
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    Agreed
     
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  21. redwoods

    redwoods Well-Known Member

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    Patrick
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    Dammit - I was planning a ride there tomorrow, then found this news. I get down there so seldom too. Oh well, ride shifted to Crystal Cove/Moro.

    Any news/update? The pics tell a lot, but I don't know the area enough to make much sense of the details. Any map with the burned area shown?
     
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  22. tbarnesarc

    tbarnesarc Well-Known Member

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    Laguna Beach
    Name:
    Taylor
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    Stumpy Evo Mullet
    Via the latest LCF email so you might get lucky: "The Aliso Fire ignited June 2, 2018 and burned approximately 178 acres of sensitive habitat in Aliso and Wood Canyons Wilderness Park. As of this writing, the park remains closed. OC Parks anticipates re-opening the park in the next few days."

    LCWP and El morro are open regardless so you'll still be able to ride down here.
     
  23. redwoods

    redwoods Well-Known Member

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    Rialto Heights, CA
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    Patrick
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    Thanks Taylor, but at this time the web site for Aliso still says the park is closed.
     
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  24. kioti

    kioti iMTB Rockstah

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    Jim Jennings
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    The LCF email was sent out yesterday, so maybe Aliso's planning to open tomorrow or at least by the weekend? Just guessing.. haven't talked to the ranger.
     
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  25. tbarnesarc

    tbarnesarc Well-Known Member

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    Taylor
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    That's what I would guess too Jim. The containment number isn't 100% so I assume that's the reason for Aliso still being closed.
     
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  26. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

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    The OC, Calif
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    Andy
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    This arrived this afternoon from LCF...

    Four Burn Area Volunteer Posts to be Staffed


    Email also included this map -

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    Your main responsibility will be to keep visitors out of the burn area and encourage park users to be patient while the wilderness heals.
    (my emphasis)
     
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  27. tbarnesarc

    tbarnesarc Well-Known Member

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    Laguna Beach
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    Taylor
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    That's good news. Thanks for the info Andy!
     
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  28. herzalot

    herzalot iMTB Hooligan

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    Laguna Beach
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    Chris
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    Thanks. I may sign up for a shift.
     
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  29. SingleTrackJB

    SingleTrackJB Well-Known Member

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    Newport Beach
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    SingleTrackRider
    Pretty crazy how close the fire got to the university. Great job by firefighters
     
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  30. mtnbikej

    mtnbikej J-Zilla

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