A Few Bad Apples...::

Discussion in 'Trail Advocacy' started by mtnbikej, Jan 17, 2020.



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  1. mtnbikej

    mtnbikej J-Zilla

    Location:
    Orange
    Name:
    J M
    Current Bike:
    SC Chameleon SS, SC Hightower
  2. Mikie

    Mikie Admin/iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Lebec, California
    Name:
    Mikie Watson
    Current Bike:
    Santa Cruz Hightower/Yeti 5C
    This is what is going to happen to the OC Parks...
    Wilderness riding is much less obvious for the lawbreakers. But inconsiderate mountain bikers and motorized bikes on non motorized trails in high congested areas will break the back of what we have taken years to build.
    Very sad.
     
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  3. mike

    mike iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Western US
    Name:
    Mike O
    Current Bike:
    GG Smash
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  4. Faust29

    Faust29 iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    irgendwo
    Name:
    Stef
    Current Bike:
    3 SC is now 2 SC.
    That was a good read... And it mentioned an area much closer to home. It was a few years ago, but the ban still stands.

    From "Los Altos online":

    BYRNE PRESERVE BIKE BAN FINAL
    A proposed Byrne Preserve bicycle ban that generated considerable debate at the Jan. 27 council meeting failed to garner any public response Thursday, and councilmembers adopted the ordinance as part of the night’s consent calendar.

    The proposal emerged after local horseback riding enthusiasts and hikers expressed safety concerns related to cyclists speeding through the preserve. Westwind Community Barn members were especially worried about cyclists frightening horses and potentially throwing young and inexperienced riders.

    Councilmembers have said cycling speed records posted to mobile app Strava alarmed them and influenced their decision to support the ordinance.
     
  5. Sidewalk

    Sidewalk Well-Known Member

    Location:
    The road is where I call home
    Name:
    Josh
    Current Bike:
    N+1
    The whole thing is so frustrating to me. As an ultra runner, equestrian, AND a mountain biker. All three groups are at each others throats, none care to see the other perspective, and none want to share.

    Obviously a gross exaggeration. I have met those in all three groups who don't mind each other. But the loudest ones are the trouble makers, and ALL three groups have them!
     
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  6. littlewave

    littlewave Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Newport Beach
    Name:
    Brett
    Current Bike:
    Ibis Ripley LS
    @Mikie I'm not sure what this has to do with OC Parks that warrants specifically calling it out? For that matter, I'm also not sure what it has to do with motorized vehicles. This article is about users (in this case mountain bikers) acting rudely to other users (specifically horseback riders who also happen to be landowners), not breaking the law by riding ebikes, so maybe you can follow your own advice and keep the ebike talk out of this particular debate?
    Inter-group conflict exists anywhere (everywhere?) where multi-use trails are close to population centers (hello front side San Gabes, Santa Barbara, San Diego, just to name some other locales that are not OC Parks that are faced with the same issues of inter-group conflict).
     
  7. fos'l

    fos'l Member

    Name:
    Bob
    Agree; keep your head in the sand and blame eMTB's for all the problems. However, bringing them up in meetings gives the opponents some nice ammunition.
     
  8. Cyclotourist

    Cyclotourist iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Redlands
    Name:
    David
    Current Bike:
    Tallboy Upgrade
  9. littlewave

    littlewave Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Newport Beach
    Name:
    Brett
    Current Bike:
    Ibis Ripley LS
    That came off harsher than I intended @Mikie but I'm going to leave it.
     
  10. hill^billy

    hill^billy Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Prescott
    Name:
    hill^billy
    Yep, Sad! The writing is on the wall. The sport has become to big and out of hand, and will only grow because of the letter E, but not just the electric persuasion? Seems to me adding now the new element of surprising another user in up direction is more scary. We go to fast to be compatible and have become bigger as a group. Coming down or up now on another trail user regardless of which user it is is scary! We have all done it at one time or another, now in a saturated area where you live, it is rider after rider, after rider that you have to step aside for if you are not on a bike. What do you think the outcome is going to be? Let’s make it mandatory for all bikers to do a background check along with taking a trail etiquette class? Going fast so you can show your friends, also Strava , to get that rush is what this sport is all about, not for everybody, but for the majority. If that is your game and you have the resources I suggest finding the places (far and few between) that is to hard for the masses so you can get your rush, otherwise slow your ass way down and do the right thing, meaning not scarring the Sh!t out of people! There is no money for enforcement in my opinion so a ban will be the easy way, and it is sad that there is nothing the well intended mountain biker can do about it! Sad! Please, if you have the magic pill let us know?
     
  11. MrGreedom

    MrGreedom Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Los Angeles
    Name:
    Ryan
    Current Bike:
    BH Lynx6
    If I owned the land, was on a horse, and some F@cker buzzed me and yelled at me in the process. I would shift my horse gear into gallop and run that F@cker down. Then issue a ban.
     
  12. Mikie

    Mikie Admin/iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Lebec, California
    Name:
    Mikie Watson
    Current Bike:
    Santa Cruz Hightower/Yeti 5C
    No worries.
    My point is we can lose access. We can lose access by being rude, not using trail etiquette, and breaking the law. We think we won't lose access but we can. If we keep abusing our privilege we will lose the privilege.
    That's my point. Not blaming eBikes in this exact scenario. Sorry for the lacking clarity.
     
  13. rossage

    rossage iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    East Sacramento
    Name:
    Ross Lawson
    Current Bike:
    Highball
  14. Cornholio

    Cornholio iMTB Rockstah

    Location:
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    Name:
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    Indeed, what a dipshit.

    I don’t understand the difficulty in having just an ounce of common sense. When I see someone on a horse I stop and wait for them to pass or get their attention if I am behind them to figure out who is doing what.

    In fact, the first time I ever met @horsebikerider was at Oaks as I was coming down the last part of Goat and I found out who she was because I stopped to exchange pleasantries with the rider that I was sharing the trails with. Really not that hard at all.
     
  15. Mikie

    Mikie Admin/iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Lebec, California
    Name:
    Mikie Watson
    Current Bike:
    Santa Cruz Hightower/Yeti 5C
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  16. beartooth

    beartooth Member

    Name:
    rob
    Current Bike:
    process111
    "the most technical obstacle of them all...human interaction." too true
     
  17. Faust29

    Faust29 iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    irgendwo
    Name:
    Stef
    Current Bike:
    3 SC is now 2 SC.
    You so need to post more. :Roflmao
     
  18. Runs with Scissors

    Runs with Scissors iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    West Anaheim
    Name:
    Mark Whitaker
    Current Bike:
    2015 Giant XTC Advanced 1 29er
    This is exactly why I want to hit the Lotto, have 10,000 acres, and not allow anyone else near it. I'd even post it: "Trespassers will be violated."
     
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  19. rossage

    rossage iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    East Sacramento
    Name:
    Ross Lawson
    Current Bike:
    Highball
    How about, " Trespassers will be prostituted." ?
     
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  20. Mikie

    Mikie Admin/iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Lebec, California
    Name:
    Mikie Watson
    Current Bike:
    Santa Cruz Hightower/Yeti 5C
  21. Mikie

    Mikie Admin/iMTB Hooligan

    Location:
    Lebec, California
    Name:
    Mikie Watson
    Current Bike:
    Santa Cruz Hightower/Yeti 5C
    Just as long as you’re not a dick!:whistling:




    :x3: See what I did there?
     



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