Trouble seating a tire bead

Discussion in 'Shop Talk' started by kingaucho, Nov 28, 2017.

  1. kingaucho

    kingaucho Well-Known Member

    Location:
    South OC
    Name:
    Lubo
    Current Bike:
    Giant Anthem 29er
    Bought a new WTB Vigilante 26x2.3. Wrestled it onto a WTB rim (can’t remember if it’s Laser or Speed Disc). Now I can’t get it to bead properly. I’ve put a lot of very soapy water on it. Inflated it to 50 psi which it says is the max. Any other tricks? Can I ride it like this?
     
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  2. mtnbikej

    mtnbikej J-Zilla

    Location:
    Orange
    Name:
    J
    Current Bike:
    SC Highball Al SS
    tubes or tubeless?

    If tubeless, stick a tube in it and inflate it till it seats the bead, then remove just one side to get the tube out. You should be able to get the bead to reseat without any trouble.

    Also, sometimes you have to put a little extra air in when you are seating the bead.
     
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  3. Runs with Scissors

    Runs with Scissors MTB Addict

    Location:
    West Anaheim
    Name:
    Mark Whitaker
    Current Bike:
    2015 Giant XTC Advanced 1 29er
    Or you can just pump it up to about 15 psi, then grab it where the bead is low and pull away from it. It should pop in. Then inflate to 40 psi and let it sit for a few.
     
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  4. kingaucho

    kingaucho Well-Known Member

    Location:
    South OC
    Name:
    Lubo
    Current Bike:
    Giant Anthem 29er
    I still run tubes
     
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  5. kingaucho

    kingaucho Well-Known Member

    Location:
    South OC
    Name:
    Lubo
    Current Bike:
    Giant Anthem 29er
    Will try that. Thanks!
     
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  6. herzalot

    herzalot MTB Addict

    Location:
    Laguna Beach
    Name:
    Chris
    Current Bike:
    2015 Intense Tracer 275c DVO
    If you have a tube in there, and it's inflated to 50 and staying inflated, perhaps just riding it a round will get it to seat?

    Is there a chance that there is some debris, a dent or rim tape preventing the bead from seating?
     
  7. Mikie

    Mikie Admin/MTB Addict

    Location:
    Lebec, California
    Name:
    Mikie Watson
    Current Bike:
    Santa Cruz Hightower
    How do you know it did not seat? Just from not hearing the "pop!"?
    Sometimes my tires don't pop to let me know they have seated. If you are running tubes and took it up to 50psi, man... I'm thinking seated. I'm positive you can take them to 65psi just to make sure, then let air out to normal ride pressure.
    Hoping this helps...
     
  8. mike

    mike MTB Addict

    Name:
    Mike O
    This could be a problem...

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    Sorry, but some dolt had to balance all the good advice here with an attempt at levity. :unsure:
     
  9. mtnbikej

    mtnbikej J-Zilla

    Location:
    Orange
    Name:
    J
    Current Bike:
    SC Highball Al SS
    They stretch. :thumbsup:
     
  10. kingaucho

    kingaucho Well-Known Member

    Location:
    South OC
    Name:
    Lubo
    Current Bike:
    Giant Anthem 29er
    Part of the tire just dips under the lip of the rim and then comes back. Hope the pics come through clear enough. It’s like this on both sides.





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  11. kingaucho

    kingaucho Well-Known Member

    Location:
    South OC
    Name:
    Lubo
    Current Bike:
    Giant Anthem 29er
    Haha! Great catch! Anthem is my primary bike. This is on my Banshee Spitfire.
     
  12. doublewide

    doublewide MTB Addict

    Name:
    Mark
    Current Bike:
    Ride Life Ride Giant
    I say, let enough air out so you can squeeze the tire away from the rim wall and spray with soapy water then try again. Pump it till it POPS! :Roflmao (Pop not explode)

    Good luck!
     
  13. Faust29

    Faust29 MTB Addict

    Location:
    Rancho Santa Margarita
    Name:
    Steve Macko
    Current Bike:
    Chameleon SS and Highball
    Stand it up on the floor, grab it with both hands and roll that sucker into place!
     
  14. Mikie

    Mikie Admin/MTB Addict

    Location:
    Lebec, California
    Name:
    Mikie Watson
    Current Bike:
    Santa Cruz Hightower
    That does seem odd...
    How tough was it to get the tire on the rim?
    I'm thinking a Maxxis or a new bike...:whistling::thumbsup:
     
  15. Runs with Scissors

    Runs with Scissors MTB Addict

    Location:
    West Anaheim
    Name:
    Mark Whitaker
    Current Bike:
    2015 Giant XTC Advanced 1 29er
    New bike is the only real solution.
     
  16. kingaucho

    kingaucho Well-Known Member

    Location:
    South OC
    Name:
    Lubo
    Current Bike:
    Giant Anthem 29er
    YES!!! Hahahaha
     
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  17. kingaucho

    kingaucho Well-Known Member

    Location:
    South OC
    Name:
    Lubo
    Current Bike:
    Giant Anthem 29er
    Love the way you and Mark think, Mikie!

    Getting it on the rim was a b!tch!
     
  18. Cornholio

    Cornholio MTB Addict

    Location:
    East L.A.
    Name:
    B
    Raise your hand if you’ve ever exploded a tire full of sealant all over your garage (and wife’s car) from being a little too aggressive with the air compressor looking for that “pop.” (Raises hand:stop:)
     
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  19. DangerDirtyD

    DangerDirtyD MTB Addict

    Location:
    La Verne, CA
    Name:
    Dennis (AKA Dio)
    Current Bike:
    2013 Trek Slash 9 (26er)
    I’ve done it with a tubed tire but not a tubeless tire. Sent it up to over 100 psi most often without issue, but one in a while....BOOM!

    From now on, I wear ear plugs when I set tire beads.
     
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  20. Redman

    Redman Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Cypress, Ca
    Name:
    Kevin
    Current Bike:
    Santa Cruz Nomad CC 27.5
    grab the rim/tire with both hands. Put the part that wont seat in front of you, right hand at 3 o clock, left hand at 9 o clock. And, hit the sidewall where it wont seat on the ground. do it hard a couple of times, it should seat. if not, let some air out and try again.
     
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  21. mtnbikej

    mtnbikej J-Zilla

    Location:
    Orange
    Name:
    J
    Current Bike:
    SC Highball Al SS

    And that is why I usually seat the tire dry first. I’ve had a few blow off the rim....then I broke my own rule about that...and blew a tire off filled with Stan’s....fortunately no vehicles in the garage at that time.
     
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  22. Cornholio

    Cornholio MTB Addict

    Location:
    East L.A.
    Name:
    B
    Haha, learned my lesson and bought an injector. This was back when I would break the bead to add Stan’s and have to reseat. Pretty sure I was covered in sealant when I ordered the injector.

    Luckily I used to run a mobile car detailing biz and keep supplies on hand... “Honey, I waxed your car AND put sealant in my tires.”
     
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  23. blixet

    blixet Well-Known Member

    Location:
    San Gabriel Valley
    Name:
    Tom
    Current Bike:
    Bronson
    I popped some beads last week, but it is a lot cooler this week. :rolleyes:
     
  24. konakc

    konakc Well-Known Member

    Name:
    kc
    Huh? What? I still cant hear...since i blew a tire
     
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  25. kingaucho

    kingaucho Well-Known Member

    Location:
    South OC
    Name:
    Lubo
    Current Bike:
    Giant Anthem 29er
    After trying everything I could including your suggestions and nothing working, I went to OC Bike Garage in Lake Forest and Parker came through! Retaped the rim, added even more soap, inflated with compressor to about 55-60, then used these crazy pliers with rubber on the ends that ended up getting it done. Holy crap! Note to self - get some wider rims... and maybe a new bike! Haha!

    Thanks for all of your input!
     
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  26. Danmtchl

    Danmtchl MTB Addict

    Location:
    Bakersfield
    Name:
    Dan
    Current Bike:
    2015 Devinci Troy Carbon 27.5
    I was going to say, get a bead seating tool. We use one all the time.
     
  27. dino

    dino Member

    Location:
    Las Palmas
    Name:
    john
    Current Bike:
    ibis mojo 2009
    And the sealant was latex based? How hard was it to get off?
     
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  28. Luis

    Luis MTB Addict

    Location:
    Sylmar
    Name:
    Luis
    Current Bike:
    Big Black 29er
    Bought a Vigilante 29x2.3 that I was excited to try out. I couldn’t even mount it on my Traverse fattie SL wheel. Kudos for getting it mounted at least :thumbsup:
     
  29. Cornholio

    Cornholio MTB Addict

    Location:
    East L.A.
    Name:
    B
    Not hard at all.. I clay our cars once a year and wax twice, slides off easy.