This wed, Irvine Open Space - changing some designation of "hiking only trails" to "multi-use"

Discussion in 'Trail Advocacy' started by Andy, Mar 19, 2018.

  1. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

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    The OC, Calif
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    Andy
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    Some type of Santa Cruz...
    Just saw this post on the Over The Hump Racing Facebook page -


    • leave open space trails open year round
    • consider changing some designation of "hiking only trails" to "multi-use"

    Wow. Not sure if I can make this due to prior commitments, but might be nice if some of us could get there
     
  2. sir crashalot

    sir crashalot Well-Known Member

    Location:
    laguna beach
    Name:
    gary fishman
    Does that mean trails like rabbit run, fox run, etc. will be open all the time?
    Unfortunately can’t make the meeting.
     
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  3. littlewave

    littlewave Well-Known Member

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    Wow! More trails sounds nice. I'm pretty sure I can make this.
     
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  4. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

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    There have been whispers for a while... so I’m assuming that’s what it means...
     
  5. sir crashalot

    sir crashalot Well-Known Member

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    laguna beach
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    gary fishman
    Cool, I’ve never ridden those since the open acces days are Saturdays when I’m at work
     
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  6. Obsidian

    Obsidian Well-Known Member

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    Wow, I hope so. That would give me another regular riding spot. I love Cattle Crest. Hopefully that hiking only trail off to the right of the fire road goes multi-use ... I have never hiked it but some hikers have told me it has some gnar.
     
  7. Runs with Scissors

    Runs with Scissors MTB Addict

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    Followed the links...no info, not actually on the agenda and the item link leads to a one-page cover sheet.

    So I went through Irvine's website. Same thing. Something is rotten in Denmark....
     
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  8. Cyclotourist

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  9. MrGreedom

    MrGreedom Well-Known Member

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    @Mikie said he is giving a 5% off Tailwind code for whoever goes in an IMTBTrails jersey. :sneaky:
     
  10. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

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    Some type of Santa Cruz...
    Another guess, it might be the "CITY BIKEWAYS AND WALKWAYS" item, after "PRESENTATIONS" and before "ANNOUNCEMENTS"?
     
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  11. Runs with Scissors

    Runs with Scissors MTB Addict

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    That's not an agenda item. Those are numbered, below that. That is the link to the one-page pdf cover sheet.

    Edit: Don't get me wrong, I hope the open access get changed as indicated. I just couldn't find it on the agenda anywhere, through the link. Or from Irvine's webpage.
     
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  12. littlewave

    littlewave Well-Known Member

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    @Runs with Scissors

    It’s the community services commission meeting, not the city council meeting. And there’s going to be a presentation about Irvine bikeways and walkways. And someone at over the hump has said it will relate to the use of open space. No reason not to show up to the meeting and have our voices heard re opening open space and more trail access.
     
  13. Runs with Scissors

    Runs with Scissors MTB Addict

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    Yep, and agreed. Just noting it's not obvious to amyone trying to find it.
     
  14. littlewave

    littlewave Well-Known Member

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    Brett
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    Anyone else gonna make this tonight?
     
  15. Cyclotourist

    Cyclotourist MTB Addict

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    I sent it to my buddy Doug who lives in Irvine. He's hopefully going to go.
     
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  16. littlewave

    littlewave Well-Known Member

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    I got there late and missed the presentation. There were a large number of bikers there mostly from the El mo crew or something.

    The chair of the commission wants to go take a look at the open space trails. It also sounds like they’re going to have another meeting where someone from the Irvine Conservancy is present. Hopefully someone else will have a better report!
     
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  17. SingleTrackJB

    SingleTrackJB Well-Known Member

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    More frequent open access days would be best, but they will need more volunteers i guess
     
  18. Runs with Scissors

    Runs with Scissors MTB Addict

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    Opening it permanently would be even better. What is the upside of not allowing access?
     
  19. sir crashalot

    sir crashalot Well-Known Member

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    laguna beach
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    gary fishman
    maybe a few open access days midweek for us midweek warriors
     
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  20. SingleTrackJB

    SingleTrackJB Well-Known Member

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    The upside is that there is some undisturbed space for wildlife. When you go into these areas you do see the difference.
     
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  21. Runs with Scissors

    Runs with Scissors MTB Addict

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    This leads back to "if no one is allowed in, who will care about it?" People have to be able to see it to take care of it.

    The trails already exist...there is no downside to having them open all the time.
     
  22. Obsidian

    Obsidian Well-Known Member

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    The trails make up a tiny fraction of the parks. The rest is all undisturbed space for wildlife.
     
  23. sir crashalot

    sir crashalot Well-Known Member

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    laguna beach
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    gary fishman
    I agree with you on this one. I’ve never been a proponent of no-access conservation.
    Difficult-acces conservation (leaving trails natural and challenging and banning motor vehicles)? That’s just fine!
     
  24. kioti

    kioti MTB Addict

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    Ah, a humanist, eh? "Why you...

     
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  25. SingleTrackJB

    SingleTrackJB Well-Known Member

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    You can see it every month and actually more frequent than that via the free docent led rides. I am in favor of higher frequency of open access but they will likely need more volunteers. I am currently bit time constrained with new little one but i am planning to sign up and contribute.

    I am not in favor of no access conservation but that is not the case here.

    With less frequent human activity the areas have a better chance to thrive. It is not the actual trail surface that matters but the cutting/splitting of the undisturbed habitat area.

    The South Coast Wilderness area is a unique habitat home to many many species. We are really lucky to still have it (google Laguna Laurel btw: without protests there would have been no Stairsteps/Cholla/T&A..!).

    Of course opinions differ!
     
  26. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

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    Andy
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    Some type of Santa Cruz...
    Maybe see you out there...

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  27. Runs with Scissors

    Runs with Scissors MTB Addict

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    Looks like they hired DMV photogs. :p
     
  28. sir crashalot

    sir crashalot Well-Known Member

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    gary fishman
    Ha, im more of a "Gary-ist". jk.

    Love the Stooges!
     
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  29. DBMX119

    DBMX119 Well-Known Member

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    Huntington Beach
    Name:
    Rick McKee
    I love the open space trails and ride them probably 8 times a year.... BUT I don't think I'm a fan of having them open all the time. There is a visible difference to the trails in the Open Space vs everywhere else due to the lack of traffic.
     
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  30. sir crashalot

    sir crashalot Well-Known Member

    Location:
    laguna beach
    Name:
    gary fishman
    I just wish they’d have a few open access days on weds or thursdays, I work on saturdays so can never go
     
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