If you signed the waiver and something goes wrong, well....HTFU !

Discussion in 'Gravity Junkies' started by jaime, Jun 19, 2017 at 12:02 PM.


  1. jaime

    jaime MTB Addict

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  2. Runs with Scissors

    Runs with Scissors MTB Addict

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    Mark Whitaker
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    The Canadians have not lost their minds. :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

    You know what the verdict would have been here.
     
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  3. Cyclotourist

    Cyclotourist MTB Addict

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    Judge laid it down pretty nicely!
     
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  4. Cornholio

    Cornholio Well-Known Member

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    Isn't this similar to why Snow Summit stopped in bounds MTB riding for several years? If I remember correctly a dude broke his back or neck in a DH race and sued them which cost them a ton to fight.

    When I broke my arm snowboarding years ago the last thing on my mind (or my parents since I was only 16) was blaming Snow Summit for my shitty form on a big jump and botched landing. It was my fault and I am the one who chose to hit said jump.


    Edit: this is what I was talking about..

    https://www.singletracks.com/blog/m...ng-big-bear-lake-snow-summit-mountain-resort/

    http://www.bigbeargrizzly.net/news/...cle_672da902-1b1b-50a7-8a9f-2bfe4c25e4b3.html
     
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  5. mike

    mike MTB Addict

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    Mike O
    Even if you did sign a waiver, or something didn't go wrong... HTFU for good measure. At some point it'll be beneficial.

    Don't want to risk a spinal injury? Ride slowly and stay on perfectly flat ground. If you choose not to and get hurt? HTFU. Blake Jamieson is a pussy who wants to blame someone else for his mistake.
     
  6. evdog

    evdog Well-Known Member

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    San diego
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    Evan S
    Lots of times it is not the rider who wants to blame/sue the resort, it is the insurance company who sues trying to recoup costs of that person's medical care. Even if it is not the insurance company, I would think your tune about a lawsuit might change when you look ahead toward a lifetime of costs for full time care, housekeeping, special mobility equipment etc, none of which would be covered by health insurance. Not saying that is right, but these people are in a difficult place.

    I had always heard that those waivers weren't worth the paper they were printed on, so it is a bit surprising to hear the judge's argument. I would think the individual facts such as the rider being a bike patroller for years and riding for longer would establish that the rider should know the risks.

    The A-line rock drop is where I broke my wrist...a kid had crashed right at the bottom and left his bike laying there on the landing while he emptied rocks out of his shoe. I should have sued his family! I would have at least kicked his ass if I could have gotten up under my own power. The little sh!t didn't even apologize, he just picked up his bike and continued on. The real miracle was there were no riders for the next minute or so while all this happened, then a train of 20 or so barreled through.
     
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  7. Danimal

    Danimal MTB Addict

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    This ^^^

    I broke 3 ribs in my back in mtb accident.

    A few weeks later received a letter from my medical insurance asking who I was with, where I was and who was responsible for the accident. They even said they needed this in order to recover the costs associated with the doctor and hospital.

    My reaction was " f'in a-holes, I pay my medical insurance, suck it up and absorb the costs. ". Really left a bad taste in my mouth.
    Told them I was alone and it was an accident plain and simple.
     
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  8. mike

    mike MTB Addict

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    Mike O
    Yea, you're right. I would throw my principles out the window based on a financial disaster. Can you taste the sarcasm, ev? :)

    I might go to lengths to get help that I previously thought I never would, but falsely (and knowingly) putting my financial liability on an entity which provided my enjoyment at its own risk? Yea, maybe my insurance will do that. I will not.
     
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  9. Cornholio

    Cornholio Well-Known Member

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    I was told to go to more doctor appointments and to seek more damages after a car accident where a dude barreled into me from behind in his Chevy Avalanche in my little
    Corolla. I didn't need it so I didn't do it. Just because a lawyer says jump doesn't mean I have to ask how high.
     
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  10. CBone

    CBone Well-Known Member

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    Antelope Valley
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    Tucker
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    Intense Primer
    With nationalized health care I'm sure he would have a harder time showing financial damages. If something like this happened here and someone had a $500,000+ in medical bills and a life time of expensive care in the future? Juries have a tendency to award lots of $ in cases like this. I feel bad for the guy and what he faces in the future but we all take our chances.
     
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  11. kioti

    kioti Well-Known Member

    Name:
    Jim Jennings
    "Despite being a volunteer patroller in the park prior to the accident.. ..he "had no idea that a spinal-cord injury was possible and specifically that going over the handlebars was a common mechanism of injuryā€¯."

    He obviously never rode with me. ;)

    I've flown over the bars and tucked and rolled (thank you judo!), landed on foot and run it out, landed on my face and plowed pavement (thank you oral surgeon!), slammed the ground like a lightening bolt and broke a collarbone, landed hard in a field of whoops after a pristine moto jump (and got a mouthful of desert dirt), and skinned knees and bruised my ego so many times I could write a book about it. Never anyone's fault but my own so unfortunately I still have to work for a living.

    I feel bad for him in that he won't be able to live the life he anticipated and may be in a lot of pain. My hope is he'll find new avenues of adventure and risk, and ways to lead a fulfilling life.
     
  12. evdog

    evdog Well-Known Member

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    Evan S
    National health care only covers medical expenses. It doesn't cover things like hiring a care person to take care of or assist him in the future, special equipment needed like wheelchairs etc, or other expenses that are not medical expenses.
     
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  13. RS VR6

    RS VR6 Well-Known Member

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    Valencia/Simi
    Name:
    Lee
    Current Bike:
    Banshee Shartfire/Chiner 29r
    "1. Bikes must be less than 38 pounds.
    2. Designated tire size must be less than 2.5 inches.
    3. Front shock must have less than 7.5 inches of travel.
    4. Bikes must have at least two chain rings unless they are single speed."

    I wonder how many of these rules are still being enforced...especially 2 and 4.:whistling::laugh:

    Looks like they were trying to keep DH bikes out.
     
  14. Cornholio

    Cornholio Well-Known Member

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    Orange
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    B
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    RIP9
    They were trying to keep DH bikes out and when they reopened the "inbounds" area for park riding again in 2013 they did away with those rules. Those were in place during the days when the lift just took you up to the forest roads and trails outside of the SS property.
     
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  15. CBone

    CBone Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Antelope Valley
    Name:
    Tucker
    Current Bike:
    Intense Primer
    True. My point was just regarding the way cases are presented. All the best to the guy. I hope he gets the help he will need.
     
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